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  •  I wish you would not allow the equation of (1+ / 0-)
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    Communism with Fascism to stand.

    Historically, the Communists were the ONLY opposition to Fascism. And, as others have pointed out, the Catholic Church in Germany (and Christians in general, although with a few exceptions) supported Fascism.

    Actually existing Communism was not much better than actually existing capitalism. There is nothing at all in the "ideology" of Communism that accounts for what Stalin did. This is not to excuse it (or "actually existing communism"), but to distinguish that from the ideology.

    Whether you are aware of it or not, the world we live in today is much closer to what Marx called "Communism" (and it's not what you think--it is in the form of file sharing and the culture of "free" that is everywhere and foundational for online communities such as Dkos).

    This may seem like a minor quibble to some people, but it seriously weakens your argument. I am down with people not liking Communism, and I get that it is as outdated a concept as Capitalism, but ... these things do weaken your argument.

    •  Well... (0+ / 0-)

      Considering tens of millions of people died in the name of Communism, I don't have much of a problem naming it in my title along with Nazism. I'm not equating the two. Nazism is Nazism. And I happen to be an admirer of, say, American Communists, who were both anti-Fascist and at the forefront of the civil rights movement. But I'm not really that interested in getting into the particulars of Marxist ideology and how it really should have looked versus how it looked under Stalin and Mao. I'm no political theorist, and I'm certainly not an expert on Marxism, but I do know what it looked like in the hands of dictators, and it was pretty damn ugly. These are abstract arguments when millions and millions of people remain dead, 50 million+ or so alone under Mao, possibly the bloodiest leader in world history.

      Regardless, none of this has much of anything to do with my diary or my argument.

      Homosexuality is found in over 450 species. Homophobia is found in only one. Which one seems unnatural now?

      by Chrislove on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 04:36:28 AM PST

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