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  •  The statistics speak for themselves. You don't (0+ / 0-)

    need me to interpret them for you.

    •  they don't, really (5+ / 0-)
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      they are just numbers and say little.

      As a physician, they mean a little more to me than most, but still say nothing about prevention, impact, cost or anything else that has something to do with the human condition, let alone politics and budgeting.

      The heart disease number is most important because of implications for life style. The cancer numbers scream out for evidence based analysis on screening.

      If, otoh, you are trying to say that firearms deaths aren't important because they are a smaller number than the others, well, I'm a Newtown CT resident, and you can frame the response accordingly.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 05:42:27 AM PST

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      •  Sorry to hear of your closeness to that tragedy. (0+ / 0-)

        I guess it is a matter of perspective.  5 children die every day from abuse or neglect.  200 children are sexually molested each day.

        Newtown was a horrific crime.  But, statistically, it is a relatively isolated occurrence.

        If we are to put resources in play as a result of Newtown, I wonder what might take a back seat.

        If I'm 5 times as likely to die from nephrotic conditions (I don't know, I'm not a student of biology), and those conditions persist in the US population year to year, it would seem it should receive a higher priority.

        Perhaps the syllogism is too mundane, but that's how I see it.

        •  doesn't work that way (6+ / 0-)
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          if nephrotic conditions can be prevented, and it affects the young, put resources there. if it can't and affects only the old, then don't.

          That's the entire point of evidence based medicine. it's necessary for health reform, because it's necessary to understand both the problem and the solution..

          The implication here is that firearms deaths can be reduced if not prevented  (read the NEJM article i posted, it's excellent, and suggests some things that can be done based on CA law).

          it is not just a matter of numbers, even though mass murders are relatively rare. Gun deaths are decreasing, mass murders are increasing. Do something about it And look at gun violence overall, since there are more suicides than homicides.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 06:01:16 AM PST

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    •  Those aren't statistics (4+ / 0-)

      that is a list of numbers(cancer and heart disease accounted for 47% of all deaths in 2009).

      For statistics, you want to compare similar things- like the number of gun deaths per 100,000 people. Then you get a more realistic picture:

      United States – 11,127 (3.601/100,000)
      Germany – 381 (0.466/100,000)
      France – 255 (0.389/100,000)
      Canada – 165 (0.484/100,000)
      United Kingdom – 68 (0.109/100,000)
      Australia – 65 (0.292/100,000)
      Japan – 39 (0.030/100,000)

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 05:52:16 AM PST

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