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  •  I can help with the dangers of gun ownership, too (1+ / 0-)
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    Well, in a way. The gun that did this (for the love of God, don't click on it unless you are prepared to see, well, just be forewarned..) was wielded by a policeman. A drunk policeman, that is. In another country as it turns out, where they apparently have nothing like HIPAA, which probably explains the paucity of other such images on the internet, unless my googling skills are on the fritz at the moment.

    Moderation in most things.

    by billmosby on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 08:52:45 AM PST

    •  a 6 yr old Newton girl was shot 11 times (1+ / 0-)
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      by this calibre of bullet.  M-16, AR-15, bushmaster: .223 calibre is meant to kill people.

      Be careful following billmosby's link. It is horribly graphic, and combined with crime scene facts, and a little imagination about grisly details not being released to the public....  makes me sick to think of these massacres.  Every person should look at that link.

      •  The only thing that might be (0+ / 0-)

        different is the length of bullet travel necessary to achieve the effects shown. There is commentary on that site from physicians who treated the case and other similar cases, and it seems that such rounds need a couple of inches of travel before the most horrendous effects develop. For small children things might be a little different, except for the largest muscles, certain organs, etc.

        I can only think clinically about this stuff for a limited time, though. I have an aunt who lost two children at or before the age of 6, to disease rather than violence, and I know how that affects parents for the rest of their lives. I think the parents of shooting victims should be spared these thoughts. The effects of that particular round on children are still too horrible to contemplate even if less horrific than the example given unless it's your job. And even then it's too much.

        Moderation in most things.

        by billmosby on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 09:30:42 AM PST

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        •  horrific yes (0+ / 0-)

          which is why people involved in this debate must know the consequences of these arms loose amongst us.

          otherwise, it seems to me that they debate the nature of the sun while being ostriches with their heads stuck under the sand.  

          perhaps graphic depictions are the only way to reach some people to at least reconsider their pro-gun postures.

          life is not as antiseptic as hollywood would make us believe

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