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  •  Goes the extra mile? (0+ / 0-)

    I don't think the president is going the extra mile. Unless it's an extra couple thousand miles to vacation. The negotiations were not very serious from either side. It's in both the president and GOP's interest to go over the cliff so they can point at each other in shock and horror -- then some deal will be worked out in the first few months which will retroactively relieve most people of the tax hikes.  The deal will be business as usual probably be fiscally worse than the so-called cliff.

    •  Really? (5+ / 0-)
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      You're taking the GOP "vacation" shot at the president for his 4 days in Hawaii, after the entire house went home for Xmas? After Cantor said they'd "work through Christmas if they had to?" LOL.

      What else did you want the president to offer up to an empty House before he dared enjoy Christmas with his family?

       

      "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

      by StellaRay on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 07:48:34 PM PST

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      •  he could have simply said "no deal" (1+ / 0-)
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        and go into 2013 with tax hikes and cuts. End of story.  The pso-called fiscal cliff seems to me like a good thing.

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          because I agree the fiscal cliff is a good thing. The details of economics generally bore the American public, but the fiscal cliff has their ears perked. It makes the decisions "visual" and draws in more participation and attention.  

          But I don't agree that Obama could simply say "no deal," in any other way than he already has.  And no matter what you think about what he once put on the table, he HAS SAID NO DEAL, without saying it, for us to be where we are today.

          Agree or disagree with him, he's pretty darn good at the optics for most of America, which is not we here at the DK. Check out his approval ratings vs. John Boehner's.  I think we're looking at least a 20 plus point difference.

          Obama will NEVER say "no deal" in the way you want him to, but that doesn't mean he's not hanging tough.  We'll see.

          "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

          by StellaRay on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 04:22:30 PM PST

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      •  Correction on my part (0+ / 0-)

        I see he just returned from vacation.  I don't begrudge him going on vacation -- he might as well have stayed in Hawaii, though the optics would probably be bad.  My original post was not criticizing him for going on vacation but rather pointing out that he hasn't gone any meaningful extra miles in negotiations.  Though like this site, I am of 2 minds -- I'd rather there be no deal than a deal but at the same time I don't think the negotiations between both sides have been very serious.

        •  What was not serious (0+ / 0-)

          about Obama's proposals?

          "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

          by StellaRay on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 04:23:19 PM PST

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          •  Asking for an unlimited debt ceiling (0+ / 0-)

            was unserious.  That wasn't going to go anywhere -- and is very bad policy.  Plus, while he was in the Senate, he made a very good case on why the debt ceiling shouldn't be raised, or at a minimum should exist (to force bargaining).

            i also generally think the negotiations are not serious about tackling the real long-term problems of a system with low taxation and high spending. Any deal that comes about will end up including less revenue than the fiscal cliff and less spending cuts than the fiscal cliff.  I support repeal of the tax cuts for everyone -- not just people above 250k. Everybody should go back to the old rates.

            •  Thank you for your substantive response. (0+ / 0-)

              I would say this in reply. Whatever Obama said when he was in the senate, should not be pinned on him now, as things have so drastically changed, and much of that change has to do with the country's first black president, AND the most obstructionist opposition party in the history of this country

              The raise of the debt ceiling USED TO BE, no big political football.  Regan raised it a freaking 18 times, without a peep from either side of the aisle.  GWB raised it 7 times without a peep from either side.

              Fact is, when Obama tries to do the same, with MUCH MORE REASON TO DO SO, the GOP has decided to make it a BIG FUCKING DEAL.  It's just another opportunity for them to try to discredit Obama.  They HATE Obama.  That should be very clear to all.

              And no, I don't agree with you that "everyone should go back to the old rates."  Hey, this country spent GOBS bailing out the bankers and Wall Street, for their inglorious greed and poor judgment, because we had to. They did very well, considering they were the source of the problem.

              And they are STILL DOING VERY WELL. My God, while the rest of the country struggles to get their heads above water, big business is doing JUST GREAT. Many big bonuses are and have been going out for the last 4 years. C'mon, it's been reported over and over again.  Big companies are sitting on huge stores of cash. That's been reported over and over again too.  

              And you want to tell me that the middle class and the poor still owe America something?!?!?!  NO FREAKING SIR.  

              "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

              by StellaRay on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 06:19:18 PM PST

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