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  •  not every revolution is an armed revolution (6+ / 0-)

    WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Dec: Life so cheap; property so sacred.

    by JayRaye on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 03:45:10 PM PST

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    •  why did you post this?.....n/t (0+ / 0-)

      An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

      by don mikulecky on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 03:51:50 PM PST

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      •  In answer to this: (1+ / 0-)
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        In other words, I sincerely doubt that a revolutionary movement could succeed in the United States today. What random collection of armed citizens could possibly stop a group of Blackhawk helicopters manned by loyal military operators? Or fight back against a well-equipped division of American troops?

        In other nations with less well-equipped militaries and sufficiently armed citizenry, it is possible - as we see every year.

        Socialist have been elected in some countries.

        Of course, in other countries, armed citizens might have been able to defend the election of a Socialist President: Chile, for example.

        WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Dec: Life so cheap; property so sacred.

        by JayRaye on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 05:04:52 PM PST

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        •  you still miss the point (0+ / 0-)

          who spoke of armed revolution or of revolution in in just one country in this diary?

          An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

          by don mikulecky on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 05:09:02 PM PST

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          •  exactly my point (2+ / 0-)
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            which is why I responded to the commenter as I did,

            sheesh, won't bother you anymore

            over and out

            WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Dec: Life so cheap; property so sacred.

            by JayRaye on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 05:14:05 PM PST

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          •  That bothered me, in fact (1+ / 0-)
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            The headline said "revolution" but the text was about paradigm shifts.

            I can think of lots of revolutions that left existing paradigms in place.

          •  If you're going to define revolution... (5+ / 0-)
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            as only pertaining to the entirety of human civilization simultaneously, then of course the answer is "no". But that's hardly a revelation, since the answer has always been no. Human civilization in that general sense is not something that obeys any purposeful attempts to change it, nor has it or will it ever be so. That's because human civilization isn't one thing, one single entity (species, gene pool, etc.) subject to the kind of analogue of biological evolution you're applying with this hypothesis.

            You've redefined "revolution" out of any ordinary meaning into something that may meet your hypothesis, but that no one else can recognize. It's hardly surprising that most of us in the comments disagree with you; we're using revolution in its ordinary sense, which is still entirely possible (and has even been done recently, as the Libyan revolution proves quite conclusively.) "Revolution" in the sense you've used it is a nonsense concept.

            Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory, tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat. Sun Tzu The Art of War

            by Stwriley on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 05:37:11 PM PST

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            •  Interesting way of dismissing the idea (2+ / 0-)
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              here are some of the ways to define revolution:

              a : a sudden, radical, or complete change
              b : a fundamental change in political organization; especially : the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed
              c : activity or movement designed to effect fundamental changes in the socioeconomic situation
              d : a fundamental change in the way of thinking about or visualizing something : a change of paradigm e : a changeover in use or preference especially in technology

              An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

              by don mikulecky on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 06:57:43 PM PST

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              •  Dismissing? (0+ / 0-)

                You have invested enough in a particular scenario to write a book on it, but you post your scenario here and ask for feedback. Then you seem resistant to anyone who does not fully accept your scenario, and my impression is that you treat the feedback disrespectfully. Seems you more wanted an echo chamber than thoughts. No paradigm shift there...

                YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

                by raincrow on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 08:37:36 PM PST

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