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  •  Thank you for this (32+ / 0-)

    I live in a city plagued by gang violence.  Young boys grow up in drug infested, gang controlled neighborhoods where even the police fear to go.  They come from broken homes, often the child of an addicted mother, and live under conditions that few people could escape whole.  For generation after generation, we have lost these children, and we continue to do so.  And it's not just teen gang members with too easy to get guns firing at each other in turf battles, often they hit innocent bystanders, even children.  A teen age girl was murdered in a drive by shooting standing outside the public library in my own neighborhood.  But these are black children, so they don't count.

    "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

    by Navy Vet Terp on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 05:01:26 PM PST

    •  Thanks for your diary on the 2nd Amendment (10+ / 0-)

      While I don't agree with all of it you did a great job in laying out the history for us. Sadly our current SCOTUS doesn't seem to give a damn about that history. And because of that I strongly feel we need to tackle gun deaths from other avenues. Attacking poverty and ending the war on drugs would have huge benefits and not just in reducing the gun deaths in this country. We need to admit to the reality that the 2nd Amendment is Scalia's Holy Scripture and he will never allow an inch of ground against it. And given the current court he automatically gets Thomas and Alito to side with him. So we start with a three justive deficit and if we lose two others it's another defeat in the courts. How many times can we say it, "It's the Supreme Court", and we don't even need the "stupid".

      To me progress is not so much a goal as it is a process and I believe it will not follow a straight course. Remember, the drops of water that form the river may not take the shortest path but they will still reach the ocean.

      by ontheleftcoast on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 05:13:02 PM PST

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    •  A path forward (1+ / 0-)
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      In my state, as I suppose in many others, a child is killed by a gun every week.  This is obviously of a concern for parents, and everyone, and these kids do not have televised funerals, and the parents do not have the president visiting them.  They are just dead.  Some would say it is the number killed at once, some would say that it because tis rampage, like most others, effected white upper class people.  I don't know if either is true, but I do not we have to look at what was in the diary if we want gun control.  Because to get gun control we have to make it acceptable to the gun owners, not just the rich white people.

      Here is the issue as I see it. First, parents are scared, and want to protect their family.  In the south, for example, this is a gun, and a gun that is powerful enough to be effective.  So given that criminals will have guns, they want guns.  Simply banning guns will not make the situation better.

      In the north we have segregated cities with murder rates 3 and 4 times the rate the respective state.  These city also tend to to contain a majority of minorities. For instance while New York City is not a high crime rate city, it is typical of northern city in that it contains almost two thirds od the blacks in the state.  Obviously this creates a situation where urban blacks feel the need a gun to defend themselves, and rural elements want a gun to defend themselves against the urban horde.

      None of these interests will be mollified by making sure guns used to kill rich white kids are not available.  We could try to focus on the murder rate in the cities, particularly the northern segregated city.  We could stop using language that serves to merely create fear in white populous that is increasingly insecure due to hard working immigrants taking the jobs.  In the end, the urban folk will get guns, and the rural folk will go to gun shows.

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