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  •  You break down the victims (8+ / 0-)

    by race and gender . . . how about the perps, by race and gender?  Who is being "privileged" when we don't name the killers?

    I'm all for keeping guns away from crazy white boys, but really, if we stopped every one of them how much would it reduce the homicide rate?  If we want to reduce gun violence shouldn't we first focus on who it is that is committing the gun violence, and take the guns from them?

    Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

    by Deward Hastings on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 05:44:30 PM PST

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      Who is being "privileged" when we don't name the killers?

      What is that supposed to mean?

      The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing online commenters that they have anything to say.-- B.F.

      by lcj98 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 06:01:34 PM PST

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    •  Not Supposed to Bring That Up (3+ / 0-)
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      Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

      by The Baculum King on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 06:29:48 PM PST

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    •  absolutely. But we should also talk about (6+ / 0-)

      how they got their hands on those guns in the first place.

      The war on drugs, going all the way back to Reagan/Nixon, brought an influx not only of drugs, but also of GUNS to the inner cities.

      Combine that with complete and total decimation of these communities through other policies (redlining, for one), the exodus of jobs from these communities, the decline in property values and hence of public education which is funded by property taxes.....well, that's a lethal combination for ANY group of people.

      What's strange about these young white male domestic terrorists who inflict this kind of damage is that there is no "logical" explanation for it. WHen you look at the circumstances that surround the lives of urban blacks, what is most surprising is that they DON'T tend to go on these kind of mass killing sprees. Black-on-black violence results from desperation, years of neglect, absolute nihilism in the face of no real opportunities, etc. It is rare to see black people go on mass shooting sprees. And the fact that most of these perpetrators are white speaks to the soft underbelly of dysfunction in white communities.

    •  You mean the white men who (0+ / 0-)

      perpetrate these sorts of mass killings?

      The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 09:15:17 AM PST

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      •  If that 1% of gun violence (1+ / 0-)
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        is all you care about, then that's what you should address.

        If the remaining 99% matters you might want to address who's doing that.

        Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

        by Deward Hastings on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 09:28:43 AM PST

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        •  Are you saying that white men only perpetrate (0+ / 0-)

          1% of gun violence?

          The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 09:31:51 AM PST

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          •  No, but spree-killings are less than 1% of the (4+ / 0-)

            gun murders in this country and with all of our media attention on AR-15's, large magazines, etc. that's clearly what we're trying to do. And maybe, if we're lucky, we'll prevent another Sandy Hook or Aurora. But it won't amount to much of anything in reducing the gun deaths in America. Really tackling that problem will require a much broader solution and one that can't ignore the problems of class and race in this society.

            To me progress is not so much a goal as it is a process and I believe it will not follow a straight course. Remember, the drops of water that form the river may not take the shortest path but they will still reach the ocean.

            by ontheleftcoast on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 10:07:28 AM PST

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            •  I agree with that (2+ / 0-)
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              And have pointed it out a great many times.  The push to ban assault rifles is a consequence of white privilege, pure and simple, in my mind.

              The post you responded to was an attempt to get clarification from the other poster about what exactly he means when he says we need to look at the race of the perpetrators.

              Who is being "privileged" when we don't name the killers?
              That's headed down the racism rabbit hole right there, but in real nice language.

              The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

              by AoT on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 10:17:07 AM PST

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              •  I completely agree with your observation (1+ / 0-)
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                on that point ... and the implicit suggestion was that we should therefore restrict firearms to the "class" of people who are causing it -- the black and underprivileged.  

                Apart from being unconstitutional on its face, it also ignores the economic and other drivers of the far more prevalent and problematic urban gun violence.  

                The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety. H.L. Mencken

                by ancblu on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 04:27:52 PM PST

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