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  •  I don't ordinarily (2+ / 0-)
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    write comments like this, but this diary is pure assholery.  20 children below the age of ten are dead.  ~40 parents sent their kids to school that day in confidence they were safe and would come home.  Some snapped at them formdragging their feet.  Others forgot to tell them they were loved.  They were left with the smell of sheets and clothing of children that will never return.  They were left with holiday presents in the closet that will never be open.  The most important thing, that little voice they heard every morning and every afternoon was ripped from them.  To try to make this some conspiracy about race is horrific and you should be ashamed.

    •  The only thing I'm ashamed about is we're focusing (10+ / 0-)

      on less then 1% of the gun deaths to the exclusion of all else. Minorities aren't getting killed in incidents like Columbine, Aurora, or Sandy Hook and yet they're dying by guns at 6 times the rate of whites. And in all the discussion of gun deaths in the last few weks we have heard nary a peep about the third world like murder rates of blacks in this country. Did you see that number? 40 in 100,000. That makes war zones look safe in comparison. We're all focused on spree-killers, 30 round magazines, and assault rifles. Yes, those are terrible things, and while we do that how many other relative Sandy Hooks have gone unnoticed? Gun violence tears thru the black and minority communities in America every single day and it's not front page news ever. One horrible day in Connecticut and we can't stop talking about it for weeks. Decades of horrible gun death rates, an epidemic rate of death, and crickets. That should cause people to feel ashamed.

      To me progress is not so much a goal as it is a process and I believe it will not follow a straight course. Remember, the drops of water that form the river may not take the shortest path but they will still reach the ocean.

      by ontheleftcoast on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 11:50:05 PM PST

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      •  You have presented real data (9+ / 0-)

        and discussed a real issue. Thank you.

        Those who should be ashamed are those who are content to simply emote as a wholesale substitute for any critical reasoning.

        Those who don't give a "frick-frack" about relevant correlating factors underlying different types of gun violence are no different than the anti-science illiterati who deny climate change because it ill suits their beliefs and ideologies.  

        And perhaps ironically, in this type of response your essential point about the blindness of privilege would seem to be confirmed.

        The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety. H.L. Mencken

        by ancblu on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 03:23:28 AM PST

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        •  I didn't expect to change a lot of minds (5+ / 0-)

          or even open a lot of eyes. As I said, I didn't want to write this diary. Goodness knows I'm not the best at talking about this issue. But it has to be talked about. Hopefully better folks than I will continue the discussion. I can't help looking at the problem numerically and seeing the social impacts. If we stop to think about it on that horrible day in December the death rate from guns in white America quadrupled from about 10 to about 40. To match that same level on an average day in America the black gun death rate would have to fall from 10 to about 7. On any day of the year, on average, the black community in this country suffers the equivalent of a Sandy Hook. And nearly every single day they do so in silence. And I can't choose to ignore that. Not anymore.

          To me progress is not so much a goal as it is a process and I believe it will not follow a straight course. Remember, the drops of water that form the river may not take the shortest path but they will still reach the ocean.

          by ontheleftcoast on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 03:34:18 AM PST

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          •  I commend you (8+ / 0-)

            for raising this essential issue ... that is as uncomfortable as it is true.

            I've just finished reading through all the comments and you have also been very gracious in dealing with those who not only disagree, but do so with unnecessary rudeness and vitriol.

            Several have also rejected your thesis on the grounds of scale of a single incident that transcends all other factors, but provide nothing more than a belief that this is so.  Moreover, you provide an entirely valid point of comparison of scale of black homicide deaths relative to whites  -- that is publicly ignored -- which is simply brushed away because the aggregate impact is supposedly not as horrifying or accessible to the public as the Newtown tragedy.  

            Others refute your thesis by citing public reaction to a bombing event -- not gun violence -- that occurred nearly 50 years ago.  One would think a more analogous and contemporary example could be used to support public outrage against black homicide rates.  And, those who use this example have apparently forgotten that the FBI and Justice Department at that time declined to prosecute the identified offenders, which enabled and prolonged the power of white privilege.

            The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety. H.L. Mencken

            by ancblu on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 04:11:57 AM PST

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