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  •  Define "triumph" (2+ / 0-)
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    Old Lefty, Deep Texan

    In terms of public opinion, we have triumphed.

    In terms of policy, President Obama seems persuauded by Pete Peterson. at least on some things.

    That was not a Media concoction nor is it supported by public opinion.

    •  You're looking at the Beltway (9+ / 0-)

      Red Team/Blue Team game, and the public is guided to see that as having to do with actual political power. (Meaning "how resources are distributed; the quality of human life.")

      A distraction all the more convincing as, on social issues, we do have influence.

      On War, Foreign Policy, Economics, Justice... public opinion has no influence on that beyond rhetoric and appearances. The public can think whatever the fuck they want. But the wars go on; the economic criminals get 99% of what they want; the real economic situation as lived by the populace has never entered recovery and has steadily deteriorated and will continue to deteriorate...

      If Media is pushing "We need jobs, good jobs, and new industries to have them" instead of "fiscal cliff" what is going on in DC right now? Fiscal cliff bullshit is the fruition of Grover's "drown the government in a bathtub;" a rightwing threat, and one that can be obviated simply by printing our own currency. Stop borrowing from the Banksters. It's legal, it's been done in the past.

      How often have you seen that as a possible solution presented to the mass-reach audience?

      No, you get the 1%'s "experts" and the Beltway Brainwashed and no one else, all weeping "fiscal cliff! must have austerity!"

      And we will have austerity, the public and Europe's experience be damned. What do you think "Grand Bargain" means? What do you think "bipartisanship" means. Winning polls?

      I'm looking at actual politics -- that is, how power operates. Different context than the Beltway Games. Which mass-reach Media promotes as the only game in town. That's the game, no matter what is said nor by who, leading to the worsening of our individual and national lives.

      Surely you've noticed that the Permanent War goes on unabated, the field of war constantly expanding; the impoverishment of people has never stopped; the transfer of wealth from the 99% to the 1% is accelerating; the surveillance state is established...  it's impossible you haven't noticed.

      How do you account for that? News coverage contributing to an informed electorate?


      The Internet is just the tail of the Corporate Media dog.

      by Jim P on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 08:01:11 AM PST

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      •  A distraction? (1+ / 0-)
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        Hardly.

        It is the issue right now.

        You are confusing ownership and control of Media with the fact that the electorate's preferences are being ignored.

        Ownership of the Media is not why.

        •  I'm not the one confused. (5+ / 0-)

          The fiscal cliff is the issue right now because the 1%/right wingers want it to be, as part of their -- quite public for decades now -- wish to destroy the safety net. Or come as close as possible.

          You don't honestly think that this device for getting both Teams to back that goal, and that the Media focuses on it, is just a coincidence?

          That the fact that the boards and ownership of mass-reach media are exactly the same people/entities as the right wing/1%?

          I could see that a body might be embarrassed to brag of such inability to reason, but to actually believe it... not creditable. Only if very confused by, say, holding to the nonsensical belief that "My Team Looking Good is All In Politics."

          Austerity will be pushed down our throats. The law permits the issue of a national currency. No need to borrow. The media pushes austerity ("fiscal cliff" the beard); ignores the solution.

          Facts. Real politics, though not the MacBeltway version.


          The Internet is just the tail of the Corporate Media dog.

          by Jim P on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 08:51:15 AM PST

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          •  The confusion (0+ / 0-)

            imo is that you think media consolidation is why we are in this fiscal cliff situation.

            •  "Fiscal cliff" is a media creation (3+ / 0-)
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              the term has been used over & over throughout the corporate media and by the politicians that corporate group sponsors, the same politicians the media was intended to act as a watchdog over.  And we know why.  To instill a sense of urgency to adopt policies harmful to the majority of citizens.

              There is no cliff.  If the media-described "cliff" is reached on Jan 1, or whenever D-day is, the laws can be changed Jan 2, or whever D-day+1 is.

              Again, the media may not be why we are in this fiscal cliff situation, but the increasingly condolidated voice with which the media speaks is a big part of how we got here.

        •  Media ownership is relevant (3+ / 0-)
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          Case in point, 30%-ish Of Fox Viewers that still believe Iraq had something to do with 9/11 and/ or that Saddam Hussein had WMD's.

          Propaganda...it's a powerful weapon and yes media ownership is part of the propaganda. They can fool some of the people quite often. ...that is why they do it. Think of all the crazy theories that many Rushbots types believe that impact the bullshit that is even debated/ discussed let alone even heard of in the mainstream.

          Polls even suggest people think that fixing the deficit is priority. Media ownership and RWNM like Fox and co pushing these memes hard.

          Media Ownership certainly makes that possible by tapping into the worst elements and fears of people.

          The Plutocratic States of America, the best government the top 1% and corporations can buy. We are the 99%-OWS.

          by emal on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 08:51:32 AM PST

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          •  I think many of them would believe that (2+ / 0-)
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            whether or not there was a Fox News.

            That's what they've decided to believe, and they watch Fox because it reinforces their beliefs.

            The old Soviet Union had govt owned papers. They didn't say anything the govt didn't want said.

            People didn't believe them. Or at least, many people didn't. And that was before the internet, before easy communication around the world, before satellite TV.

            But the people who DID want to believe it, would have believed it no matter what. And likely still DO believe what they were told as kids, because it fits what they WANT to believe.

            People have ALWAYS been like that. It's just easier now.

          •  Murdoch will own Fox (0+ / 0-)

            whther he owns LATimes or not.

            •  Who said he wouldn't (2+ / 0-)
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              marina, lostinamerica

              I was arguing why media consolidation is  a relevant issue. It has to do with who has control of the message and what message saturates and permeates into our collective subconscious. ...and that media consolidation and monopoly building is not a good  thing for the underclass. Propaganda is a useful and scary tool when used on the masses.

              It isn't a coincidence that since the advent of hardcore Rightwing media mogul Rupert Murdoch took hold of major media platforms here in the US, the  amount of wingnut misinformation that is allowed to permeate into the heads of the masses has been a problem and that has played out politically and policy wise to the detriment of the underclass.
              It has allowed fiction to become mainstream.

              Murdoch's news conglomerate is known to be the mouthpiece of the GOP and led to  a rightward lurch of policy discussion  in this country. It Has resulted in much skeptical commentary such as truth having a liberal bias here for a reason. Because we see the cult like power and influence it has over so many people. It's about power And Control.

              It has led to the necessity of Rightwing media watch groups like MMFA!

              Media consolidation is relevant. If this were occurring under an R administration, the outrage of this blog would be fierce.

              The Plutocratic States of America, the best government the top 1% and corporations can buy. We are the 99%-OWS.

              by emal on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 10:36:09 AM PST

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              •  Fox does not have audience because (1+ / 0-)
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                there are not alternatives.

                Fox is not a consoldidation issue.

                You wrote 5 grafs about why Fox is bad and none which relate to consolidation, other than the conclusory "media consolidation is relevant."

                I do not think it is relevant TO THE ISSUE  that outrage would be fierce if thiswere under a GOP Prez.

                Partisan Dem blog is partisan! News at 11!

                Speaking for me only., I've never been shy to criticize this Administration.

                You can look it up.

                •  Please (2+ / 0-)
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                  Never thought or accused you of blanket supporting or following this president ...I know your history  and know that you criticize  and or will support, regardless of the party label of the President or policymaker.

                  I am speaking and making the case against relaxation of the rules that allow for continued media consolidation and monopoly building by Murdoch. Did not realize that I was limited to two sentences when responding to you Armando.

                  That said, you yourself argued in this very thread you didn't even read the Stoller article yet you are commenting and arguing that he doesn't make a good argument.

                  Perhaps you have now actually read his article and the other numerous ones linked from other commenters (such as Moyers) that also bring attention to the concern of  this FCC issue. I gave reasons why I disagree.

                  The big picture is simple for all who read Stoller or have read previous links by others regarding media consolidation and monopoly building by media empires such as those like Murdoch.  It is not good for the underclass.

                  The Plutocratic States of America, the best government the top 1% and corporations can buy. We are the 99%-OWS.

                  by emal on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 11:27:54 AM PST

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                  •  I read Hartmann (1+ / 0-)
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                    and have listened to Moyers.

                    My view is, as epxressed on a umber of occasions in this thread. that this concern is not merited by the consequences.

                    Frankly, you want to criticizie Obama in these days, worry more about his love of Grand Bargains not his love of media consolidation.

                    •  Think many can do both (1+ / 0-)
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                      lostinamerica

                      I know I am not a well known person or vast contributor despite the fact i have been coming to dKOS for almost a decade, but I have railed against the grand bargain when it first happened and still do now. I backed away recently from here when people such as myself were told we were not to criticize during the prime election season but could resume feet holding to the fire criticism once the election was over and Obama won.

                      Plus, I am talented enough to multitask. I can rail against things such as the Grand bArgain 2 and this at the same time. I often support discussions regarding how the ruling class plutocrats elites (including media mogul oligarchs such Murchoch) further their grip against the underclass. IMHO, It's not a two party country,but its more a two class system..it's the plutocrats versus the underclass. This issue with media monopolization fits in nicely with that discussion and theme.

                      Have a good day.

                      The Plutocratic States of America, the best government the top 1% and corporations can buy. We are the 99%-OWS.

                      by emal on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 12:17:12 PM PST

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        •  But it is how (0+ / 0-)

          at least in significant part.  Media consolidation is how the rigid line of "news" reporting has increasingly excluded and/or downplayed those stories about which the electorate is most concerned.

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