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  •  The hostage-taking must end. (11+ / 0-)

    Agreed, but I just don't think it will.  The only option is for "moderate" republicans, if there are still some in the House, need to join with the democrats to legislate.

    It's not easy being a Floridian: PS I'm a lawYER now; no longer a lawSTUDENT.

    by lawstudent922 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 07:16:17 AM PST

    •  Except that Boehner won't even bring (15+ / 0-)

      moderate bills to the floor... Boehner only seems present bills that will pass the test of crazy -- and he can't even get the teahadists to pass those. It seems only complete annihilation of the government will work for these guys.

      The Republicans keep saying that they stand for "responsible" government and that the deficit is the number one problem we face. I wish the media or Reid or Pelosi will attach a price tag to these antics... By refusing to vote on the tax bill, then passing it on Jan 3rd it will cost X dollars for the IRS to cover the cost of the additional paperwork. By refusing to extend UI, then giving them the funds retroactively, the government will spend an additional X dollars. By not passing the farm bill, the government will have to buy milk at artificial inflated prices, then they will sell that milk at a loss, resulting in X billions of dollars in completely unnecessary spending, thanks to the responsible party.

      Maddening, just utter insanity!

      Pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space, 'cause there's bugger all down here on earth... Monty Python

      by theKgirls on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 07:41:20 AM PST

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      •  It's a broader base of the American people who... (7+ / 0-)

        .. need to hear this message. Personalize the effects of the House GOP blockages to them and their fellow Americans. That will affect some of the classic GOP base. We may have to do this vote by vote.

        Calling the recalcitrants out is essential.

        2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

        by TRPChicago on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 07:51:05 AM PST

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      •  It has a tinge of sadism. (4+ / 0-)

        The Republicans still think that if they can make the country unmanageable by Obama, they will gain votes next time.

        It is time for Obama to go the whole FDR on them.  Take the power he has and invent some new ones (which can be tested in the courts in the next two years) in order to get things moving.  Take ownership of the Debt Ceiling and eliminate it.  It is stupid.  No government wants to be raising debt wildly but we cannot get to a balanced budget now.  The President has the responsibility for the Constitution, the 14th Amendment, and the Debt.  You cannot be continually unloading your weapons.

        I really think we need a real asshole like Rahm Emanuel back in the Presidential Advisor's chair.

        Mitt Romney rides off into the sunset in his Audi.

        by captainlaser on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 08:30:21 AM PST

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    •  It won't take more than 2 or 3 moderate Senate... (8+ / 0-)

      ... Republicans to get past the inevitable filiblusterated McConnell GOP Senate roadblock, and pass the simple tax legislation that President Obama has proposed. IF those same moderate Republicans are willing also to pass a debt ceiling increase, fine, but let's not have Reid and Company bend to get anything more than middle class tax relief.

      And bottom line: absolutely no bargain affecting the reasonable and moderate filibuster reform: speaking filibusters and not for piddly procedural motions. Every other institution in America has to change to survive; so must the US Senate.

      Then the tax bill comes back to the Republican House, the ball back clearly where it belongs and with the certainty that the House GOP will mess up the deal for the middle class, unemployment benefits, etc., if they do it again. A major address to the American people by the President, if necessary, right after the New Year: a chapter and verse calling out.

      That will either end the hostage taking, or the storm restarts without holiday distractions. This business of House members bringing down the possibility of meaningful action in the public interest and defying their own leadership in the process must end.

      2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

      by TRPChicago on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 07:48:02 AM PST

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      •  The Senate can eliminate the filibuster (0+ / 0-)

        at the beginning of the next Congress.  It doesn't make sense that an earlier session's Senate can make rules that a subsequent Senate can't change by majority vote.  They can make a rule requiring supermajorities for whatever, but only for that session.  Or so I would think.  

        But it would be nice if there were 60 votes to change the rule.  It would look cleaner.

        We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

        by david78209 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 09:58:23 AM PST

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        •  McConnell will not let his Republicans vote for... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... filibuster reform of any kind, at least not without extracting - and extracting is the right word - a lot from the Democrats in return.

          This time, unlike last session, Harry Reid can not let himself be flummoxed and hoodwinked on this ... by the Republicans or his fellow Democrats.

          Stand up and threaten McConnell with all sorts of non-old-boy-comity in the US Senate if he insists on 60 votes ... and then go with 51 and change the damn obstructionist filibuster rules. Senator Reid, you need not allow McConnell to frame and set the dialog on this any more.
          1. A stand-up-and-deliver requirement so-the-public-can-see-who's-obstructing-and-why is absolutely not unreasonable. It's simply a reversion to past practice of only a few years ago.

          2. Limiting the kinds of procedural motions to which a filibuster can be made simply clears the way for less obstruction. It does not gut the treasured notion of a filibuster.

          Which, by the way, has no precedent in meetings of other kinds, meetings where things must be decided, where business must be done. It is an anomaly in democracy and it has been patently abused by the GOP in the last Congress.

          It is time to change it.

          2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

          by TRPChicago on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 11:02:55 AM PST

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    •  All the moderate republicans are in Forest Lawn (6+ / 0-)


      Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Republican. But I repeat myself. Harry Truman

      by ratcityreprobate on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 07:48:07 AM PST

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