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  •  That's exactly what I meant. (5+ / 0-)

    Taking the message to Gentiles--the traveling salesman. He went everywhere, man--Corinth, Thessalonia, Rome. Peter and Paul apparently disagreed about cutting in the Gentiles, but being a hellenized Jew, Paul saw a great big world of potential Christians out there, and he was right.

    I never liked you and I always will.

    by Ray Blake on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 06:25:05 PM PST

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    •  Though interestingly... (1+ / 0-)
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      Only Needs a Beat was Peter who first had the revelation that gentiles could become followers of Jesus, including receiving the Spirit of God, without following Jewish law.

      •  Not even close to true. (2+ / 0-)
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        It was Jesus who gathered a "mixed" following, and preached an inclusiveness that went beyond Hebrew identity, and suggested a very non-traditional (almost Buddhist) set of social rules.  It was Peter who turned that message into a twisted sort of "universal Judaism" (adopting and following most, though not all, the "old testament" rules).

        That is what laid the foundation for 2000 years of Christian/Jewish conflict . . . with "traditional" Judaism reserved for "Hebrews only" and "Christian Jusaism" claiming "open to all" (while both ignored the actual message from Jesus).

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        by Deward Hastings on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 07:29:42 AM PST

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        •  Still not the real story (0+ / 0-)

          I don't recall that Jesus preached very much in non-Jewish communities, though there were some exceptions, notably the Samaritan woman at the well.

          But Peter DID have the revelation that I described and his response to it at the moment it happened was as I described.

          Later, Peter insisted that Gentiles should follow Jewish law, but Paul challenged him on it, and after discussion, everyone (including Peter) agreed that the Gentiles didn't need to follow Jewish law, with the one exception of not eating meat with blood in it. And I don't think that one lasted long.

          So we shouldn't blame 2000 years of Christian/Jewish conflict on Peter. There are some other notable causes for it, but I see no need to change subjects.

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