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  •  Let's not renew Must Retreat. (5+ / 0-)
    10) Stand Your Ground.  Strike it down.  Ban it.  Now.  
     IF I can safely leave a situation, and let the cops and my insurance company handle a crime and claim?
     Oh hell yes, I want to avoid the whole inquest, Grand Jury, hearings, etc...
     It's why I pay thousands in premiums, and more thousands in taxes.

    When it's my life, right now, or your's - as you're not leaving witnesses and not going back to prison?  Yeah, well... I may bitch a lot, but I beg little.  I still want my gun, and not a recording of me begging for the cops to hurry.

    You say IF you can safely leave...
    Who decides whether you actually could leave or whether you are lying about being unable to retreat safely?
    Is there some sort of stopgap that will prevent prosecutors from bankrupting you in order to serve a political anti-gun agenda?

    What's the nationally recognized reasonable threshold for the "in safety" part of the retreat?
    Is that threshold variable, for the consistent application between Mr Sprint Runner and Mr Elderly and Mr One-leg?

    ....

    You are usually pretty cynical about these things, with apparent good reason. What makes your cynicism fall to the wayside on this issue?

    It's safe to trust a sane person with the keys to nuclear weapons, but it's not safe to trust an insane person with the stuff in the kitchen.

    by JayFromPA on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 11:56:49 PM PST

    •  Jay, I believe Castle should stand (1+ / 0-)
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      Joy of Fishes

      and SYG should fall.

      If we've equal rights to be in a public place (parking lot) then I'd really like as little gunfire as possible.

      Private property otoh, is different.  There's an assumption of informed intent upon trespass, and commission of further crime.  An example:
      You pull-up my driveway and some of your crew starts on my vehicles, a few more on my barn, and three start beating down the door?  I'm calling 911, and meeting the threat.
      For me, that's at my door - while the Castle Law says "and curtilage" - that area known here in the Northeast as "dooryard".
      The area between house and barn.

      So in my view, they still have to bring the fight to me.
      I just don't have to give-up, or bail out the window to get away - which was the p.o.v for some Prosecutors.

      "You should have survived a 8 foot fall and would recover from the lacerations - yet you killed a person who we've found-out was in a state of confusion, as his mother testified that they lived in a similar house, in a different town, years ago."

      No more of THAT idiocy, and no more Trayvon Martins.

      •  Agree: As little gunfire as possible. (1+ / 0-)
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        43north

        But I'm not talking about private property at all.

        What concerns me is that other people get to decide whether I really truly tried hard enough to retreat.

        And some of them may personally benefit should they decide one way over another. That's a conflict of interest.

        Furthermore, some of those people may well be basing their decision on the magical special effects departments of the hollywood action movies they have seen.

        Is it really fair to have decisions regarding bullet evasion being made by people who quite possibly know nothing substantive beyond the plot of Die Hard? I'm sure even Bruce Willis doesn't match up to the capabilities of John McClane.

        It's safe to trust a sane person with the keys to nuclear weapons, but it's not safe to trust an insane person with the stuff in the kitchen.

        by JayFromPA on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 03:53:34 PM PST

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