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  •  Now would be a good time... (27+ / 0-)

    ...for the Progressives in the Senate to send a signed letter stating they will vote against any 'deal' that includes any cuts to Social Security, like the Chained-nonsense.

    They only need 5 or 6 Senators to sign on to vastly change the likely dynamic of the coming last-minute negotiations.

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    by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 06:54:20 AM PST

    •  which would be countered with a GOP pledge (0+ / 0-)

      to vote against "deal" that doesn't.

      Where's your dynamics?

      •  The GOP has already made that pledge (6+ / 0-)
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        cslewis, PhilJD, TKO333, wishingwell, ferg, Bayardo

        it's high time the Democrats stopped giving in.

        A. SS is fiscally sound for now. Why do we have to cut it now...since when do politicians EVER worry about future shortfalls?

        B. Medicare and Medicaid are solved by single payer. Let's leave those programs in place until we get what the rest of the free world has.

        -7.5 -7.28, A carrot is as close as a rabbit gets to a diamond.-Don Van Vliet

        by Blueslide on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 08:10:29 AM PST

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        •  We don't have single payer.. we have ACA (1+ / 0-)
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          I would have loved to see single payer come to being.  But we got Obamacare instead.  

          There is no "solving" Medicare and Medicaid with single payer.. Obama had his chance and threw out single payer on day one.  We will not revisit health care for decades.

          •  I'm not going to give up (0+ / 0-)

            Single payer is the only way to go and not having it may be our economic down fall. Yes we have ACA and that process torpedoed any opportunity at a truly affordable health care plan for now. Some say single payer is not doable, I believe it is not an option.

            -7.5 -7.28, A carrot is as close as a rabbit gets to a diamond.-Don Van Vliet

            by Blueslide on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 08:06:21 AM PST

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        •  They will not create single payer...I think we can (1+ / 0-)
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          Bon Temps

          give up on this dream for the time being.  It could have been done before and for whatever reason they chose not too.  

          •  This issue, like many others, could change rapidly (0+ / 0-)

            and dramatically if the Republican Party collapses completely, and I think there's actually a chance of that happening.  Yeah, the House (and the party at large) (and its constituency) is full of true believers right now.  But not even the most passionately held beliefs can hold up for long under the weight of as much extremism, illogicality, denial of obvious truths, and failure of results as the Repubs' beliefs have exhibited.  

            Much of this thread has been concerned with the specter of Republicans "pointing the finger" at Democrats about the failure of the economy.  And yeah, the Repubs will do that, inevitably, and there'll be some voters dumb enough to buy it, as always.  But the Repubs are running out of room to do that, logically speaking.  To anyone with any serious idea what's going on, it's pretty clear that finger-pointing makes much more sense when it goes the other way.  

      •  Republicans would not sign such a pledge (2+ / 0-)
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        Bayardo, Bon Temps

        What our side doesn't seem to get is that the Republican strategy since 2009 has been to campaign against Democrats from the left when it comes to Social Security and Medicare cuts. I never saw a single "tea party" campaign ad during the 2010 campaign, but I saw tons of ads about Democrats cutting Medicare.

        Republicans certainly want these things cut, but they don't want their fingerprints on it, which is why they won't make any specific proposals now and why they won't write a pledge either.

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