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  •  The headless chicken caucus (9+ / 0-)

    You gotta wonder how much damage their aimless rampaging is going to do before the rest of their party gets together to isolate them, out of self-defense.  How cowardly will they eventually prove to be?  Boehner is certainly the head of the coward's caucus, but even he has tried to rope them in to some minimal degree without seeing much help from his followers.

    Citizens United defeated by citizens, united.

    by Dallasdoc on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 07:14:47 AM PST

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    •  Gertrude Stein: There is no there there (12+ / 0-)

      The GOP does not exist as a recognizable party.  No one actually liked their nominee, whose son now says he never wanted to run, anyhow.   The RNC was an utter disaster.  Their de facto party leader is an Oxycontin abusing talk radio gasbag.  Other than minimizing taxes for the .05%, they have no governing ideology.

      I'm not sure what the point is of having a summit w/ people who have no leadership and no command authority.  Perhaps the president should meet w/ Rush one on one and cut out the middlemen.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 07:30:06 AM PST

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      •  Why meet with Republicans at all? (3+ / 0-)
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        At the risk of sounding crass, this whole thing was a clusterfuck from the beginning because of all this bi-partisanship nonsense.

        The House passed a bill to deal with this. That gave the senate license to pass their own, diametrically-opposed bill - formulated in conjunction with the WH - with the president standing firmly behind it. All that was needed at that point was the 2012 campaign Obama taking his plan to the people...the same people who had just voted him back into office.

        Instead, Obama allowed Republicans to run out the clock. Now, when the country dives off the cliff and the economy back into recession, Republicans can stand back and point fingers for 2 years. And why not? It worked in 2010 for them, and now they have less ground to make up to take back the senate.

        This whole demonstration of lack of leadership makes me puke. Worst of all, taxes will go up on working-class families, wholesale cuts will take place, and 3 million people will lose jobless benefits they need to survive.

        But hey, we can always blame Republicans..because, you know, people can still eat that way.

        •  "Obama allowed Republicans to run out the clock" (5+ / 0-)

          You're on another planet.

          2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

          by TRPChicago on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 07:43:12 AM PST

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          •  Do you really think the GOP leadership wanted... (3+ / 0-)
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            ...a deal to avert this?

            Is that what you think they were aiming at when Boehner offered his pitiful Plan B?

            No offense intended here, but YOU seem to be living on another planet if you think Obama has been negotiating with people acting in good faith. His predilection toward "bi-partisanship" allowed them to steamroll precisely where they want to go: off the fiscal cliff.

            Look at it this way:

            The GOP knew full well that one way or another, taxes were going to go up on the wealthy. The only question was, will taxes go up on those who will scream holy hell about it? Let's face it...when taxes go up on the wealthy, they will grumble, but life goes on...just like post-1993. But this isn't the economy of the 90s and the working class economic situation is not congruent. Raising the taxes of the 98% will cripple this shaky economy...as will taking away jobless benefits of 3 million Americans.

            The endgame for Republicans was ALWAYS going off the cliff...and once we jump, they won't have to do a thing. They won't come scrambling back to the table to save the working class. They can just sit there and point the finger as conditions deteriorate leading to the 2014 midterms.

            Obama gave Republicans exactly what they wanted...and what's worse, they tipped their hand with the Plan B mishap, yet our side didn't capitalize on it and push our plan through.

            Deny it all you want, but history will prove my perceptions correct. The GOP always intended to take the economy down with them. Now, we get to hold hands with them as it unfolds.

            •  I didn't mean to be rude, but this requires ... (5+ / 0-)

              ... both sides of the table being (1) willing and (2) able to make a deal, and then (3) make it stick.

              The President can. Boehner can't. McConnell probably won't, although the Senate GOP is more attendant to what Wall Street, bankers and others are counseling about the Cliff and the debt ceiling.

              As for up-to-the-cliff-end bargaining, I think it's philosophical and that's why it will happen again and again with this GOP-controlled House. I don't agree "[T]he GOP always intended to take the economy down with them." I think a significant number of House GOP members are in denial that's the effect of what they're doing.

              I do not think "Obama gave Republicans exactly what they wanted." Had he, we'd have screamed. (Well, you have me there. We seem to scream anyway.)

              As for your statement,  "... our side could have capitalized on it and push[ed] our plan through," help me understand:

              - what's the "it"?
              - what would we/Obama have "pushed" with?
              - what would have made enough House Republicans yield?

              2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

              by TRPChicago on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 08:09:06 AM PST

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            •  When Wall Street Tanks ... (0+ / 0-)

              The Billionaires will "feel it" too, and will wish they had taken the tax deal when billions of their wealth evaporate unlike anything the tax man could take.

              The deals will be made, probably already have - everything else is the "face saving" life preserver for the GOP moderates.

              Everyone will lose "something", no comparison to what the Left would have lost with Romney.

              You know, the current laughable House bill that was all set for Willard's rubber stamp.

              Things that can be restored ... in a later Congress.

              One thing's for sure, the extinction of the last piece of "legacy" legislation -with the name "Bush" on it.

              If not us ... who? If not here ... where? If not now ... when?

              by RUNDOWN on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:05:15 PM PST

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        •  Many things here I would take issue with (1+ / 0-)
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          but let's just start with this one:

          "Now, when the country dives off the cliff and the economy back into recession, Republicans can stand back and point fingers for 2 years."
          I don't think so. This is not 2010 and Obamacare.  Polls repeatedly show who Americans are blaming.  From a diary this morning on one more of those polls.
          Five times more Americans (27% to 6%) are likely to blame the GOP House for this mess than blame Congressional Democrats.   Nearly twice as many (27% to 16%) blame the GOP House than those who blame President Obama.
          Obama won the election by promising to raise taxes for the rich. It's a pretty popular concept right now, and it's not lost on Americans that the GOP is doing everything they can to obstruct those middle class tax cuts to protect the rich.

          "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

          by StellaRay on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 10:22:21 AM PST

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