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  •  no to Hagel (6+ / 0-)

    Plenty of reasons not to want Hagel at Defense. His voting record was terrible and so were his words.

    Ambassador Hormel may have forgiven him. That's his prerogative. It may be politically expedient to accept the apology from a larger strategic perspective. The fact that he lamely apologized, more than a decade later, may move him toward being qualified to be "Reasonably Decent Human Being". It doesn't make him qualified to be Secretary of Defense in a Democratic administration.

    The combination of his anti-gay and anti-abortion votes and views should be strongly factored in here. They are both quite relevant to the position. From my perspective, they should remove him from consideration.

    The plural of anecdote is not data.

    by Skipbidder on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 06:22:32 PM PST

    •  Actually Hormel has doubts (3+ / 0-)

      about the sincerity of Hagel's "apology":

      “I have not received an apology,” Hormel, who is a major figure in Democratic politics, told me. “I thought this so-called apology, which I haven’t received, but which was made public, had the air of being a defensive move on his part.” Hormel added that the apology appeared to have been given “only in service of his attempt to get the nomination.”

      "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

      by Cali Scribe on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 07:27:17 PM PST

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      •  eventually accepted the apology (0+ / 0-)

        There is a follow-up, where Hormel accepted the apology.

        From Hormel's Facebook page:

        Senator Hagel’s apology is significant–I can’t remember a time when a potential presidential nominee apologized for anything. While the timing appears self-serving, the words themselves are unequivocal–they are a clear apology. Since 1998, fourteen years have passed, and public attitudes have shifted–perhaps Senator Hagel has progressed with the times, too. His action affords new stature to the LGBT constituency, whose members still are treated as second class citizens in innumerable ways. Senator Hagel stated in his remarks that he was willing to support open military service and LGBT military families. If that is a commitment to treat LGBT service members and their families like everybody else, I would support his nomination.

        The plural of anecdote is not data.

        by Skipbidder on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 08:53:56 PM PST

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    •  As the Greg Sargent/WaPo link in this diary shows, (0+ / 0-)

      Ambassador Hormel has neither accepted his 'apology' nor recognized that Hagel has made one. The rest of your comment is spot on.

      Enough fossil fuel remains on Earth to warm it 6 degrees C by 2100 AD if it is all used. A +6 C planet will only sustain half a billion humans. Human population will rise to 9 billion by 2050. Any questions?

      by davidincleveland on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 08:51:48 PM PST

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      •  apology (1+ / 0-)
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        He did actually accept it.

        Sargent added a correction to his page. I've pasted it above.

        The plural of anecdote is not data.

        by Skipbidder on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 08:55:49 PM PST

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        •  I sit corrected. That update makes the comment I (1+ / 0-)
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          replied to 100% accurate. It isn't an excuse (merely an explanation) but I never read the update until two minutes ago, despite posting the link myself, including in this thread.

          Enough fossil fuel remains on Earth to warm it 6 degrees C by 2100 AD if it is all used. A +6 C planet will only sustain half a billion humans. Human population will rise to 9 billion by 2050. Any questions?

          by davidincleveland on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 09:37:38 PM PST

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