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  •  Ed Rendell (16+ / 0-)

    was on MSNBC just two days ago arguing with Howard Dean that WE HAVE TO cut entitlements and that the screams from the left about the proposals that "Democrats have made" in recent days to do so are proof that Democrats are trying to do the right thing and share the sacrifice.

    We HAVE TO DO THIS.  And then, suddenly, thanks to Reid and whatever coalition we have to stop this in the Senate, we suddenly don't HAVE to do this.

    It is amazing that even though there is such stark opposition to this in the public, and in the Senate, and little real attraction to it by Republicans, as we can see from all their quick denials of it before the cock crows thrice, that there is this small, tiny, but powerful coalition in the Democratic Party that keeps this shit alive.  And Ed Rendell is just an example of it.

    •  i agree (1+ / 0-)
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      Rendell has close ties to Republican businessman, and he's playing both sides.  Chris Matthews likes him, but he's not trustworthy, he showed that during the election.

      It's not that there can be absolutely no give on this at all, those guys want something to run for reelection on, but we'd have to get a whole lot in return, the whole package and a way to not allow them be irresponsible ever again over the debt ceiling.  

      "oh no, not four more years of hope and change?" Karl Christian Rove

      by anna shane on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 04:41:45 PM PST

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      •  Bullshit (8+ / 0-)

        There can be no cuts to SS period.  It's not part of the "problem" and cannot be part of the "solution."  The Clintonista DLC DINOs will, plain and simple, destroy the Democratic Party if they are idiotic enough to mess with the third rail.  Rendell should just switch to the GOP and be done with it.  And he can take that dried-up old hack, Erskine Bowles, with him.

        See the children of the earth who wake to find the table bare, See the gentry in the country riding out to take the air. ~~Gordon Lightfoot, "Don Quixote"

        by Panama Pete on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 05:00:57 PM PST

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        •  there will be (0+ / 0-)

          it won't be a lot, just the one Nancy signaled would be okay.  It's wrong, but they'll have to have something.

          The only solution is to elect only sane leaders, and that one's not on the horizon.  it's not right, but it's compromise, and if we can get an agreement to avoid the debt ceiling business, that would be worth it.

          the Republicans are a suspicious lot, and with some justification. In the past when Obama has given something away, it wasn't what they'd thought.  I expect if he's got something to give, he'll also have something up his sleeve.  

          He won't do it to do it, he'll have to get a lot back, and we'll see how that goes in January. I expect he might even trade lower capital gains up to some huge amount like 250 a year, to get everything needed restored, and an agreement on the ceiling votes.  

          "oh no, not four more years of hope and change?" Karl Christian Rove

          by anna shane on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 05:11:14 PM PST

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          •  No, it is not worth it to avoid the debt ceiling (5+ / 0-)

            "business."  It would only be the beginning, and once that door has been opened, SS will end very quickly.  It's a shiny object for them right now and we need to put a definitive end to it.  It must not be touched.  Period.

            "It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it." ~ George Carlin

            by vigilant meerkat on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 05:28:47 PM PST

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            •  we need to compromise (0+ / 0-)

              I'll bet i am one of the biggest lefties, or at least one of the longest ones, I think we should be spending way more on our population, not cutting the little we already do, but, these guys are truly nuts and there is worse than giving a little.  

              "oh no, not four more years of hope and change?" Karl Christian Rove

              by anna shane on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 12:35:53 PM PST

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          •  Anna... I don't think the Republicans (3+ / 0-)

            really WANT IT.  Look at how fast they came out to say this is no longer on the table.  They didn't say it like they were defeated, and they didn't say it like, oh, those irresponsible Democrats, they took this off the table, damn them.  They just said, it's off the table.  And they said it with visible relief.  

            They should be relieved.  Nobody wants to take responsibility for being the guy who cut people's social security checks, even just a little.  Not most Republicans, not most Democrats.  Even the most anti-SS of the Republicans didn't want this -- they want the Ryan Plan.

            The real pressure for this is coming from centrist Democrats, people like Ed Rendell and Corey Booker and Harold Ford and Kent Conrad and Erskine Bowles, and quite a few more, I suspect we'll see, because the big donors of the Democratic Party think that our problems can be solved if the old people just stop being greedy and "share the sacrifice."

            And let's none of us forget that about three months ago, Ezra Klein reported that the Whitehouse was talking about replacing Tim Geithner with Erskine Bowles after Geithner leaves.  

            These guys are more powerful than we are, certainly on a "per capita" basis, because they are so few and yet so damned powerful and persistent at this and do most of their dirty work behind the scenes.

            •  Obama is (0+ / 0-)

              smarter than they are.  They are certainly willing to burn the house down rather than pay their own expenses, so it's lucky we have a smart negotiator.  

              "oh no, not four more years of hope and change?" Karl Christian Rove

              by anna shane on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 12:34:33 PM PST

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      •  rendell is a dem? (0+ / 0-)

        really?

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