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  •  The only benefit of an emotionless (7+ / 0-)

    Quesation would be if the issue being asked about is similarly emotionless.  The goal in a survey is to find out about public attitudes. Mince the issue is emotional (as shown by your piss and leg comment), removing the emotion from the question would actually reduce the quality of the survey.

    This is going to be a messaging battle...so the question is whether in public opinion people are going to think of the issue in terms of Gallup or PPPs question?  In general, low information voters rule the day...so yeah, my guess is that PPPs numbers are closer to the general attitude among the population...which by the way, is the only measure of a poll.

    "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

    by Empty Vessel on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 09:59:34 AM PST

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    •  Facts (3+ / 0-)
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      trump emotion every time. Or, they SHOULD.
      "Reality based community." Sound familiar?
      Assault is a crime.
      Therefore, an "assault weapon" can be nothing but a "crime weapon" right?
      When was the last time you saw, "partial birth abortion" in a peer reviewed medical article?
      That was a blatant push poll move.

      •  Assault (0+ / 0-)

        http://www.merriam-webster.com/...

        b : a military attack usually involving direct combat with enemy forces

        "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

        by indycam on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 10:07:03 AM PST

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      •  I think you are confusing (7+ / 0-)

        What a poll is intended to do.  My point is that we can have logical arguments, but I think you would agree that many (most?) people's political opinions are based on a combination of logic, good and bad info, gut instinct, emotion and stupidity.

        The objective of a poll is not educate people, it's to find out where they stand.  If the poll question provides more detail than is commonly known by the population being polled, the poll will have poor results.

        See my comment about polling about evolution...if the phrase "as presented in the bible" rather than "creationism" is used, the support for creationism goes up by about 15 to 20 points, despite saying as described in the bible is a bit more accurate, in a sense.

        "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

        by Empty Vessel on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 10:09:12 AM PST

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      •  what would you suggest? (0+ / 0-)

        I've been arguing this on a professional LinkedIn group thread on Mass Shooting Risk Management.

        Besides the incredibly disturbing logical fallacies invoked, the responses are similar to yours; complaints, but no solutions.

        I apologize if I've missed all your constructive posts. I have been following this issue and all the tags closely.

        Can you offer some constructive advice around mitigating the lethality of these random shootings?

        I actually have been in the neighborhood of 2: Cleveland School in Stockton and San Francisco 101 California St.

        I would like to have a chance to survive some crazy with a gun in an enclosed space.

      •  And arms are attached to shounders (2+ / 0-)
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        who wouldn't want to see 'em bared?

        "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

        by jakewaters on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 10:44:09 AM PST

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      •  The general public is NOT a "Reality based (0+ / 0-)

        community", so you are off base from the get-go.

        Massacres inspire emotion.

        Would you agree to requiring private sellers to conduct background checks like gun shops do?

        This is a question about the idea, the actual mechanics TBD.

        **Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behavior does** h/t Clytemnestra/Victoria Jackson

        by glorificus on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 07:20:56 PM PST

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