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  •  Kestrel (5+ / 0-)

    This is a survey of political opinions, of course they are gonna use political terms.

    It's the same difference if you poll asking people about the affordable care act, health care reform or Obama care.  They all refer to the same exact thing, and their are good arguments about which is the best way to poll it, but they will give you different results.

    "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

    by Empty Vessel on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 10:12:57 AM PST

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    •  THat, actually (1+ / 0-)
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      makes a certain kind of sense....but I don't like push polls giving people misleading information in order to elicit the desired result.
      That's what that PPP question was.
      Again, will Daily Kos now behave like Republicans?

      •  I think you are wrong on this (8+ / 0-)

        What term do most people use to label the Assault Weapons Ban?  I suspect it's "Assault Weapon Ban", not the long, wordy thing in the Gallup survey.  If either is a push poll, I think it's the Gallup, with all the extraneous details in there.

        There is, however, a real value at looking at both polls...if the common understanding of the AWB becomes similar to the Gallup question...that's bad for democrats...if it stays like the PPP question, it's good to neutral.  That matters.

        "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

        by Empty Vessel on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 10:20:35 AM PST

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        •  And people thought the AWB banned military grade (4+ / 0-)

          select fire firearms.

          It didn't.

          Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

          by KVoimakas on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 10:21:27 AM PST

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          •  Yeah, so? (2+ / 0-)
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            This is a poll of public opinion, not poll of people who have been carefully informed about more information than most people know, and are then asked about it.

            The goal of a survey is not to decide if the AWB makes sense or not, it's to determine whether, with the existing knowledge among the population, people support or oppose it.  By adding more info to the question, even if accurate,  the Gallup poll fails to accurately judge the opinion of normally knowledgeable people.

            "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

            by Empty Vessel on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 10:26:01 AM PST

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        •  "it the common understanding of the AWB" (0+ / 0-)

          So if the 'common understanding' of the AWB becomes 'commonly understood' it will be bad for democrats?

          There will be a long discussion over any proposed AWB.
          It will undoubtedly be more complex than a single sentence.

          Further, one needs to take into account
          (1) Locale. The South and Northeast is predictable, but the swing states are not. How do you think this is going to play out in Nevada, Iowa, Florida, Ohio, Penn, Virginia, Wisconsin?
          2) Single issue voters. I have voted in strait every single election, with the exception of Nader in 2000.
          I will not vote for anyone that limits any Constitutional Right.
          I am not alone, although anecdotal evidence is hardly scientific, since this talk of gun control:
          1)My father, who left the Dems thanks to the 1st AWB, was ready to go back to the Dems....not anymore.
          2) A friend, whom doesn't own any guns & voted R until last election, is back to the GOP
          3) Three friends whom are apolitical, but voted D last election, have stated that they aren't going to vote next election & if they do, won't vote D
          4) My wife, whom is apolitical & voted only because I dragged her to the polls, is not going to be dragged to the polls by me next election.

          And we don't talk politics.....

          Limiting the rights of people whom have done no wrong is insulting & is prime territory for making single-issue voters.

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 02:45:21 PM PST

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