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  •  You're wrong on this (17+ / 0-)

    imo.

    The Gallup questions violates basic polling tenets.

    PPP follows them.

    A poll is not a diary and thread.

    It is to guage EXISTING views, not form new ones.

    •  You weren't gauging existing views (3+ / 0-)
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      You were giving them to them using only a loaded political term with no real meaning.
      And I think you know that.

    •  Bullshit.. the kos question sucked (8+ / 0-)

      Assault weapons?  WTF is that?

      Aren't fully automatic assault weapons already banned in most states?  Isn't that what an assault weapon is?  Ok.. confused yet?

      Ban - who is going to ban?

      So, to summarize, we have the kos question that asks if you support a ban on an undefined object by entities unknown.

      Yeah.. great question!

      •  If it looks like something you don't want (1+ / 0-)
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        loosing off lots of rounds in public and it sounds like something that you don't want loosing off lots of rounds in public, you could call it a rose or a cigar but more people agree that these items need more regulation as per the second ammendment.  

        "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

        by jakewaters on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 10:39:39 AM PST

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        •  No, they don't. The results are meaningless. (3+ / 0-)
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          Have you ever voted where you town or county has a referendum?

          Did you ever in your life see a referendum question as short and useless as the kos/PPP question above?

          No.  Of course not.  Because real legislation must get down to the nitty gritty and define everything.

          So, 61% of people answering yes to a useless question means?  Absolutely nothing.  It is simply "proof" proponents of gun bans will use in their rhetoric.

          •  It's a matter of public safety, it would be (1+ / 0-)
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            irresponsible to put it up to a ballot referendum because that would only invite more intense and focused crazy into the equation.

            You are right, they aren't cigars or roses or pretzels, the are arms.

            Not guns.

            Arms belong in an armory, where any state's well regulated militia would responsibly store them.

            We aren't going to define them here, not our job.  

            Though you may well contact your representatives and express a different view, the PPP poll reflects a widespread desire to regulate the type of arms that have been used in too too many  tragedies.  

            You disagree, fine.

            Don't kill the messenger.

             

            "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

            by jakewaters on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 11:23:46 AM PST

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            •  Firearms are an individual's right to keep (3+ / 0-)
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              and bear.

              This has been gone over and over and over again.

              Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

              by KVoimakas on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 11:36:25 AM PST

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              •  As is your right to keep and bear an opinion. (1+ / 0-)
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                Which has also been provided over and over and over again.

                If we are going to talk about working together to solve a problem new ground needs to be broken.

                "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

                by jakewaters on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 11:44:00 AM PST

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                •  So we'll stop talking about guns and move on (2+ / 0-)
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                  to something that'll actually pass Congress and help?

                  Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

                  by KVoimakas on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 11:50:58 AM PST

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                  •  Recommendations? (2+ / 0-)
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                    "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

                    by jakewaters on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 12:19:13 PM PST

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                    •  Here's just one: (2+ / 0-)
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                      Marijuana legalization.

                      The study, entitled "California Youth Crime Plunges to All-Time Low" and released by the San Francisco-based Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice, looked at the number of people under the age of 18 who were arrested in the state over the past eight decades. The research not only found juvenile crime to be at its lowest level ever but, in the wake of then-Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signing a bill reducing the punishment for possessing a small amount of marijuana from a misdemeanor to simply an infraction, the drop in rates was particularity significant.

                      In that one-year period, the number of arrests for violent crimes dropped by 16 percent, homicide went down by 26 percent and drug arrests decreased by nearly 50 percent.

                      link

                      And that's just decriminalization. Let's legalize and tax that shit.

                      Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

                      by KVoimakas on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 12:26:23 PM PST

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                      •  Don't disagree on that one (0+ / 0-)

                        but i don't think that quite addresses the problem of a town like Newton CT, that with a homicide rate of 27  this year and a population of 37K giving it a per capita rate of 7.4/ 10K residents which is ~10 times higher than the 0.76/10K rate in LA and four times higher than the 500 deaths in Chicago's 2,707,120 population.

                        The thing about Newtown is that it was just anywhere, it could have been anywhere.  That's real terrorism.  Terrorism as in just plain folks being terrified that randomly the worst thing in the world could happen to their children in their safe sleepy little town.  Folks in Newtown seem to be pretty united in standing up to this form of terrorism.

                        Could be a fucked up population is going to be less likely to get violent, then again I don't think its going to make folks feel any better to sing 'I was stoned and I missed it' next time a school shooting occurs than it would to sing kumbaya.  

                        How about tightening up background check requirements and stopping Gun show sales?  

                        You are a feeling and a thinking person, don't tell me there isn't any ground to give there. Any suggestions?

                        "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

                        by jakewaters on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:00:02 PM PST

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                        •  Nothing will prevent Newtown (0+ / 0-)

                          These events happen randomly.  There are no definable conditions that could be used as predictors to make this preventable.

                          The kid was using a gun that passed the Conn. assault definition.  It was legal in that state.

                          Tighten up the requirements - i.e. smaller magazines and/or slow the rate of fire - and you might have fewer killed, but you also might not.  This kid went for 20 minutes and only stopped when law enforcement with guns approached.  Those regs still would not stop a Newtown massacre, however.

                          Your suggestions might stop gun violence in the inner cities, though.  I'm all for that.

                          •  Good suggestions, worth a try smaller magazines/ (0+ / 0-)

                            slower fire rates.

                            No they won't prevent every random act of terror but they may make them less frequent in the future.

                            "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

                            by jakewaters on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 02:19:18 PM PST

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                  •  So, would you support private sellers requiring (0+ / 0-)

                    a background check the way gun shops are required to do this?

                    **Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behavior does** h/t Clytemnestra/Victoria Jackson

                    by glorificus on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 07:09:44 PM PST

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      •  This (4+ / 0-)
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        So, to summarize, we have the kos question that asks if you support a ban on an undefined object by entities unknown.
        right here.

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