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  •  I just don't think a mandatory buyback would work (0+ / 0-)

    here.....especially if we are talking a broader version of the first ban.

      For one, the incredible amount of money it would take to buy that many weapons.  For two, the same guns would be worth more on the streets as soon as the ban happened.  For three, law abiding people would want to keep their guns would hide them, bury them, or whatever and certainly criminals would all keep theirs.

    •  Then those people who expect .... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...Australia- or Britain-like results will be sorely disappointed by a repeat of the ban like the 1994 ban.

      Because there will be millions of these firearms circulating, being stolen and, occasionally, being used.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 12:33:13 PM PST

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    •  On the question of a buyback... (0+ / 0-)

      ...I've seen numbers around 3 million for the number of AR-15s in circulation. They appear to range in price from about $600 used to $2,000 new. Supposing the average rifle, nearly all of them used to some extent, is worth $1200. If every one of them was turned in for that price (not going to happen as you point out) the buyback program would cost $3.6 billion. That's barely a footnote to an appropriations bill in Washington. Even if you bought them back at a huge markup to undercut the black market...say triple the value at $3600 it's "only" $10.8 billion. If this was extended to ALL semi-automatics the cost would get pretty staggering, yes.

      Some people would hide theirs. Others would sell them on the street for higher prices. Many would take the money though. The number of mentally ill people with access to legal semi-automatics would be reduced.

      •  4 million in civilian hands...just those and not (0+ / 0-)

        including variations.  The moment a ban is breathed they would be worth much, much more....that the current grand in good used condition.  

        With people who love guns and hunting...it would be like trying to ban cigarettes from heavy smokers.   They wouldn't take a million for the last carton they might get their hands on....and/or hoard them for the newly created market for them.

        If you extend the ban to include almost all guns.....it would be staggering,as you say.   The black market and underground market would turn into a nightmare very quickly.

        •  Nightmare perhaps (0+ / 0-)

          The market is fairly saturated though. Everyone who wants a semi-auto has one already, for the most part. You would see some hoarding of them since going down to the local Dick's to buy another wouldn't be an option. So existing owners would possibly buy more of them on the black/underground market. I doubt we'd see them ending up in many new hands though.

          Getting ammunition might become an issue for many owners eventually. You couldn't take it to the range, so you'd need a very remote location if you wanted to shoot it. Buying ammo online and through a black market would happen, but online can be policed to a considerable extent and not everyone would have connections to the black markets. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know, but assume that ammo for semi-auto guns could also be used in non-semi-autos. Still, if possession of certain guns/ammo was criminalized it would at least eventually cause most people to turn them in. Owning something you can never use isn't that much fun. You wouldn't even want to show it to anyone but your closest friends/family. It would make sense to have a couple amnesty periods after the ban took effect and people had time to realize hiding them was pointless and could eventually land them in jail. Some people would continue to hide them forever, but the hidden stash wouldn't be as likely to fall into the wrong hands as guns kept in the regular gun safe or just around the house.

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