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  •  Haven't shopped at Hobby Lobby in years (41+ / 0-)

    Locally, they're across the street from Michaels, and the overtly religious, prosletyzing advertisements that Hobby Lobby runs during the holidays helped me decide not to give them any business years ago.

    Seriously, while I don't expect businesses to be in lockstep with my beliefs in order to gain my business, I do have a problem when they shove it in my face in the form of full page newspaper advertisements -- and this recent dust up over the ACA has just confirmed my long time feeling that Hobby Lobby neither wants nor deserves my patronage.

    Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

    by TexasTom on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 11:24:19 AM PST

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    •  Yes, the being closed on Sunday (29+ / 0-)

      always bothered me. Not because they chose Sunday, but because the signs on the door explained that it was so their employees could spend the day at worship. Not that they would have a day of rest or could spend time with their families. So the way they phrase it seems like unnecessary proselytizing.

      It just spawned several other questions:
      - what if an employee worshiped some day other than Sunday?
      - if you did, would they accommodate your work schedule, i.e. never schedule you on Saturday?
      - did you have to hide the fact that you did not worship on Sunday, or any day for that matter?
      and so on . . . Kinda made me want to walk in dressed like Stevie Nicks in black wearing a pentacle on a necklace and see if I would get kicked out.
       

      •  Plenty of small businesses (5+ / 0-)
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        open on Sundays, just open later (say at noon instead of 10am); that gives those who choose to attend services plenty of time to get to church and still go to work. Lots of churches have an early (8am) service for those folks who might have to work or other commitments on a Sunday morning (during soccer season a lot of the soccer moms and dads will hit the 8am service so they can still get to the field in time for the games).

        And even religious beliefs can't trump some laws -- there was a case several years ago where an Orthodox Jew took a job as a BART train operator, then sued to get Saturdays off because it was against his religion to work (which would have gone against the long-standing seniority policy). Judge ruled that the dude knew the rules when he took the job. Got to wonder if Hobby Lobby and other secular employers will run into the same roadblock.

        "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

        by Cali Scribe on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:16:30 PM PST

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        •  A you really saying that a shomer shabbos Jew (0+ / 0-)

          can't work at BART? That seems kinda weird and unlikely.

          "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

          by shmuelman on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 03:17:24 PM PST

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          •  I do not see how that is an issue, of course they (2+ / 0-)
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            could work for  BART, they just can not expect to be able to dictate their schedule.  BART is not and should not be required to give a employee the schedule they would prefer, they schedule the employees as needed.

            Sure it would be nice to be able to accommodate everyones desires when it comes to scheduling, and usually we try, but as someone who has had to do it, it is not always possible.

            And honestly, as long as the policy is explained upfront and is equal for all employees, the gentleman did not have a leg to stand on imo whether you define BART as a business or a governmental entity.......

            It sounds like having weekends off was a perk of seniority, not based on anything else and if so, why should someone whose turn it is to finally get weekends off, so they can play with their kids, get stuck in the position while someone junior to them gets the benefit they have earned?

            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
            Emiliano Zapata

            by buddabelly on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 04:05:11 PM PST

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            •  As long as it is explained first? (0+ / 0-)

              That pretty much invalidates most anti-discrimination laws.  Not working on Shabbos is not a "job benefit" or some kind of perq. I would really like to see a reference on the web to this case.  I can't find one offhand.

              "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

              by shmuelman on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 05:11:05 PM PST

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              •  The employee (1+ / 0-)
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                Was told there would be weekend work and took the job knowing that. He wasn't discriminated against if he knew this before taking the job. If he was granted every Saturday off, then the others are being discriminated against, especially if seniority issues, which in many places is what you've worked many years to attain and is all you have.

      •  Chick-Fil-a did that in a mall (0+ / 0-)

        in a heavily Jewish area of Cleveland, and that always offended me. They've been on my shitlist for decades because of it.

        Jon Husted is a dick.

        by anastasia p on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 06:02:51 PM PST

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      •  I don't understand why that would bother you, just (0+ / 0-)

        saying that or being closed on Sunday.  

        •  "Why" was in the comment that you're... (3+ / 0-)
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          ...responding to:

          Not because they chose Sunday, but because the signs on the door explained that it was so their employees could spend the day at worship. Not that they would have a day of rest or could spend time with their families. So the way they phrase it seems like unnecessary proselytizing.
          Not my words, but it does pretty much sum up my opinion, as well.  I don't object to them choosing to close on Sunday, but rather that they use their marketing to make it a point of them doing it for religious reasons.

          Even Chic-Fil-A handles their Sunday closing policy better, by simply putting up signs noting that they close on Sundays so that their employees can spend time with their families.

          Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

          by TexasTom on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 09:20:37 PM PST

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    •  Hobby Lobby's been on my obnoxious list for years (11+ / 0-)

      ...because they have signs conspicuously posted on their windows that they reserve the right to search your belongings if you step on their property. That's not very customer-centric. It's hostile, actually. Why bother? I'll go to the locally owned and operated yarn stores nearby, TYVM.

      •  really? thats insane. I bitch about the profiling (2+ / 0-)
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        sprawl-mart does in choosing who to ask for their receipt......funny how the long haired ratty dressed cat  (usually me) always is asked to produce one (I refuse, never have never will unless everyone is checked like at Costco)  yet the nicly dressed woman next to said LHRDC sails through without a glance with very similar contents including the animal feed that is supposedly their reason......

        --->>>It has nothing to do with you being a LHRDC sir, just policy to ck all feed purchases<<<---
                         .....what a crock....

        A sign like that would have me back in the car rapidamente.......

        Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
        I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
        Emiliano Zapata

        by buddabelly on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 04:21:28 PM PST

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    •  That's the same reason (0+ / 0-)

      I've been telling people to avoid Chick-Fil-A for the last 25 years.

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 06:02:06 PM PST

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