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  •  its not polyanna (0+ / 0-)

    OK here's what happened in 2012. There were six candidates in the primary.
    Then somehow they got everyone to drop out except Warren and two other candidates. Then they didn't even have a primary election.
    somehow they scheduled an obscure election, and they got electors to go to the convention and cancel the primary.

    So basically they manipulated the system to ensure that Warren would win without a vote.

    So I don't have a Polyanna attitude, because I've seen how they rig the game.

    Obama 2012...going to win it with our support!!!

    by mattinjersey on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:55:06 PM PST

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    •  Really? (6+ / 0-)

      Did they kidnap Setti Warren, Alan Khazei, and Bob Massie(!)? Did they bribe people at the convention? Did changing the primary to a convention change the outcome?

      This is basically complaining about some principle of democracy without really any principle behind it other than the odd view that parties and individuals have no right to endorse.

      Politics and more Formerly DGM on SSP. NM-01, 26 (chairman of the Atheist Caucus)

      by NMLib on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 02:08:38 PM PST

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      •  Yes! (0+ / 0-)

        because only like 500 people voted to determine the electors of the convention. No one even knew about it. So it allowed the establishment to determine the outcome.

        If there had been a real primary, outcome probably would have been different.

        Obama 2012...going to win it with our support!!!

        by mattinjersey on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 02:13:05 PM PST

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        •  It would have been different? (5+ / 0-)
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          How? Would Elizabeth Warren have only won 75% of the vote?

          And political parties have the right to choose their nominees however they want, and a convention among party activists isn't exactly an undemocratic way to pick it (especially compared to other methods that can be chosen).

          Politics and more Formerly DGM on SSP. NM-01, 26 (chairman of the Atheist Caucus)

          by NMLib on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 02:17:03 PM PST

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          •  warren (0+ / 0-)

            If you watched the debates, you would have seen that Warren performed no better than any of the other candidates and possibly worse. She probably would not have won a fair primary, that's why they had to clear it for her. Her main virtue is that she could raise a ton of money. So that's how it works, the person with the money and who is friends with R. Maddow will win it.

            I don't know who gives the party the right to choose the nominee however they want. It seems to me like an open primary is the only fair & democratic way.

            Obama 2012...going to win it with our support!!!

            by mattinjersey on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 02:20:24 PM PST

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        •  Different? (1+ / 0-)
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          Can you say Senator Scott Brown, not former Senator Scott Brown?

        •  by the time the convention came along - only 2 (4+ / 0-)
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          candidates remained. But it started earlier than the conventions! Our local Dem committee elected convention delegates who supported Warren. Many town committees did this. So once the warren delegates were elected by their home committees - elected to represent their support of candidates -
          The convention was well more than 500 - it was over 3,000:

          The Massachusetts State Convention took place on Saturday, June 2nd at the MassMutual Center in Springfield. 3,554 delegates gathered to endorse a Democratic Nominee for U.S. Senate, and witnessed history as Elizabeth Warren united Democrats like never before. She received an unprecedented 95.77% of the delegates votes, securing her place as the Democratic Party’s 2012 nominee for United States Senate
          from: http://www.massdems.org/...

          Women are 51% of the population yet are represented in congress by barely 17%! Until our representation reflects the population, we risk sliding backwards .....

          by 51percent on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 04:49:22 PM PST

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        •  "No one even knew about it"???? Come ON. (4+ / 0-)

          The dates of the state party convention were well known, and the convention itself was well publicized.  ALL the other candidates had dropped out of the race except DeFranco by then, some (including Setti Warren) almost a year earlier.  And DeFranco had never run for office before, had zero name recognition and no organization, and had no experience in anything except being a lawyer with a small practice.

          As for this electors business...so what?  As I said above, every single candidate except DeFranco and Warren dropped out long before the state party convention, or the election for the electors.  What was the party supposed to do, ditch a well funded candidate with name recognition for someone with no money, no organization, and no support?

          Finally, if you truly think that DeFranco would have beaten Warren in a primary, you're crazy.  DeFranco couldn't even get enough votes to stay on the damn BALLOT.

        •  Oh for pity's sake (1+ / 0-)
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          There were caucuses all over the state. Way more than 500 people turned out to choose delegates.

      •  The only reason Bob Massie didn't win (0+ / 0-)

        would have to have involved kidnapping him... Otherwise he would have beaten Warren 99-1. But in the real world...
        Elizabeth Warren was given nothing... The GOP in their stupidity turned her into a star... Then turned her into a nemesis... Then she ran for the Senate when no other top tier candidate would.

        There was no other candidate in that race who could had made it a competitive primary...What they did was a formality.

        Town Planner, 30 years Old, Election Junkie, "If you agree with Bush's economic policy, Cheney's foreign policy, and Santorum's social policy, you loved Romney's speech" - James Carville (aka the Ragin Cajun) on the Colbert Report

        by CF of Aus on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 03:00:45 PM PST

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    •  I was a delegate to the MA Dem convention (6+ / 0-)

      please take a minute to understand how that works. I have never in, 32 years of being involved in MA politics, seen such energy behind a candidate.
      Who are "they?" the truth is the strongest candidate got the most support.

      Women are 51% of the population yet are represented in congress by barely 17%! Until our representation reflects the population, we risk sliding backwards .....

      by 51percent on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 04:44:04 PM PST

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    •  Uh, no. There were originally six CANDIDATES (3+ / 0-)
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      All of whom either dropped out or failed to get enough votes at the state party convention for there to be a Democratic primary.  

      And Warren did indeed win the only vote that really made a difference:  the one against Scott Brown.

      •  there were only TWO candidates on the convention (2+ / 0-)
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        ballot. Over 3,000 delegates were elected to represent their own local members and who each supported in years like this, was important. I think out of all of the delgates from Cape Cod and Martha's Vineyard we counted 3 supporters of Marisa DeFranco.
        We knew we had a good candidate who had a chance to beat Senator Centerfold.

        Women are 51% of the population yet are represented in congress by barely 17%! Until our representation reflects the population, we risk sliding backwards .....

        by 51percent on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 05:31:57 PM PST

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        •  Exactly (1+ / 0-)
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          I wasn't happy with the way that Warren ran her campaign, especially at the beginning, but she came through in the end.   We don't need another primary, especially with a strong, seasoned choice like Markey ready to go.

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