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  •  And we know that she actually *read* them how? (0+ / 0-)

    Seriously - how many people actually read all the fine print?  Or understand what they read?  I'm not being sarcastic here - I'd be willing to bet that this woman didn't read most of the paperwork, or that she didn't think it applied to her because she was buying the guns for someone else.

    •  Then the fault is hers, not the stores'. (0+ / 0-)

      The entire point here is that the OP (and a lot of other folks) continues to make speculations/assertions based on sheer ignorance.

      It's quite obvious that s/he has either never been in a gun store and never bought a gun, or is lying to push an agenda.

      Neither option is flattering in a "reality based community".

      •  I think the store is partly responsible (1+ / 0-)
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        The only plausible assumption here is that the salesperson wasn't trained to spot signs of a possible straw purchase.  If that's the case, you can bet that everyone working in a gun department at Gander Mountain is undergoing extra training.  Of course, I hope I'm very wrong.

        Nguyen bears the lion's share of the blame here.  But Gander Mountain has to shoulder part of the responsibility as well--the salesperson could have, and should have, shut down the sale immediately if s/he thought something didn't add up.

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        by Christian Dem in NC on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 05:59:51 AM PST

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        •  I bet they are trained not to challenge (1+ / 0-)
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          anyone beyond checking ID. Otherwise, how would they choose which people to accuse of making a straw purchases without incurring liability based on discrimination/civil rights?

          They are probably trained to point out the signature blocks on the forms -- the ones that clearly state making false statements is a crime with severe punishments.

          The ATF forms require checking multiple checkboxes and it is made abundantly clear that lying on the form is a crime.

      •  She admitted buying the guns (0+ / 0-)

        So unless she bought them at a gun show (in which case why didn't Spengler buy them himself?), she bought them illegally.  

        Also, the paperwork on a lot of transactions (like buying a house or a car) contains areas where the buyer has to stop, read, and initial the paperwork to show that yes, s/he actually did read the fine print.  Are you seriously saying that purchasing a deadly weapon doesn't require this sort of paperwork?  Because if you are, I'm even more appalled than I was before.

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