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  •  I found it. (17+ / 0-)

    And I couldn't stomach it.  Could not bring myself to read through it, even.

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    by cai on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 06:21:53 PM PST

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    •  I saw this diary only recently (14+ / 0-)

      because of another comment here. It genuinely confused me to read. I had trouble following it... and then it ends with this comment:

      I'm not the kind of person who regularly makes shopping out to be more than what it is. I too have had my bouts of condesension towards consumerism and consumption. But think of it like this: Some people ... some designers, some engineers, some marketing people ... a whole bunch of people earned their living figuring out how to get me to that showroom and buy so that they can earn a decent living. Perhaps that is why my parents and grandparents weren't so cynical about buying stuff. These things ... these things ... they signify something about us. Perhaps we shouldn't be so dismissive of consumerism, but instead we should take it more seriously.
      I think it can be read in a few ways, that comment. On the one hand, it can be read as being important to be more mindful of what we buy because there's an economic cycle behind all of our purchases. Okay, I can deal with that and think that's important. I don't quite understand the logic of how this mindfulness would bring one to buy a flashy car, but I also admit to liking cars myself, so I won't be a hypocrite and say I don't understand the appeal of certain cars: I do. But given that this site is a political site where climate change is a major issue, and were consumerism might better be focused on American-made goods, sensitivity to populist economics, and energy efficiency, I had trouble making heads or tails of it in the end. Particularly in the comments section.

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      by mahakali overdrive on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 06:55:08 PM PST

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      •  I glanced at a few comments; it seemed pretty (9+ / 0-)

        evenly split between people recommending other sporty cars, and people saying "get a Volt."

        I can't remember who said it, but I remember someone saying that the problem with us isn't that we're materialistic, it's that we're not.  If we valued material things, we'd put a premium on quality, durability, and soforth.  Instead, we buy cheap, disposable products, and throw them out without a second thought.

        Of course, that is also a problem of economic justice; well-made, last-a-lifetime goods also cost more, more than many Americans can afford.  (And those old-fashioned values of repairing and mending things also required a lot of unpaid work; not only does it not make sense to darn a two dollar sock, it's an expenditure of time that is also unaffordable or otherwise unpalatable to many people, and with good reason.)

        Still, that paragraph you quote sounds like a bit of rationalization; "I wanted to talk about buying a new for a thousand words, something many Americans have never and will never do, but here's my justification for why it's relevant and not just self-indulgent navel-gazing."

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        by cai on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 07:42:12 PM PST

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