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  •  Because there is no reason to make me wait... (0+ / 0-)

    Especially since, as I already own a weapon, the purchase obviously has nothing to do with committing a crime of passion.

    •  The controls aren't aimed at you personally but (3+ / 0-)
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      at the truly dangerous, such as members of terrorist groups, right wing militia, psychotics and other mentally ill folks. Anyone truly interested in the preservation of civil society would be happy to wait a month to get a firearm, to mandate safe storage of same, and mental health checks. Given the terrible state of mental health services in the US and the fact that most of these mass shootings are by the deranged and damaged some real controls are needed.

      If... the machine of government... is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. ~Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobediance, 1849

      by shigeru on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 01:18:35 AM PST

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      •  Yep. Notice how they often default to "Me Me I I" (2+ / 0-)
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        when we just want the gun killings to stop.  

        It's. Not. About. You.

        The GOP says you have to have an ID to vote, but $ Millionaire donors should remain anonymous?

        by JVolvo on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 05:34:25 AM PST

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        •  These laws would affect me, (0+ / 0-)

          I have every right to consider their impact upon me and other law abiding individuals, and contrast that to the affect they may have on crime.

          If I find that scale to be out of balance, I would be foolish not to protest.

          •  Yeah. (1+ / 0-)
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            You'll be affected.

            Boo fucking hoo.

            To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

            by UntimelyRippd on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 08:37:34 AM PST

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            •  Boo fucking hoo? (0+ / 0-)

              That's your response when someone points out that they don't want to be punished for something they didn't do?

              You are the reason a calm discourse on this issue is almost impossible here.

              •  Every law and regulation that restricts my (3+ / 0-)
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                freedom to act on the basis of what might happen rather than what I intend to happen "punishes" me for something I didn't do.

                Generally, such laws and regulations are in place exactly because a rather small percentage of the population needs to be restrained from behaving with extreme stupidity and/or selfishness. That's how civilization works, unfortunately.

                Grownups understand that.

                Adolescent boys do not. Adolescent boys instead talk about being unfairly punished. Adolescent boys think speed limits are unfair -- why should they punished just because some lame-o can't control his car at 100mph. Adolescent boys think DUI is unfair. "I didn't hit anything. Why should I be punished because somebody else killed someone while drunk?" Et fucking cetera. Clue to adolescent boys: The universe is neither just nor fair. The universe doesn't care about you. It isn't structured to ensure that you get what you "deserve". The universe only "is". Deal with it.

                To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

                by UntimelyRippd on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 09:43:45 AM PST

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      •  But, (0+ / 0-)

        The controls, as I've mentioned in the past, would not effect those people- at best it would inconvenience them, and they would simply purchase privately.

        It is not worth the burden that it would place upon law abiding citizens. There are limits to what I accept as a reasonable barrier to the obtaining a firearm, and waiting for a month is one of those limits.

        •  We should also control private, gun show, and (0+ / 0-)

          Internet gun sales. And sorry, but if one wants more than 1 revolver, bolt action rifle, or 12 gauge one should be required to store them off-site and securely. Hell even in the army, except in combat zones one must lock up one's weapons in an armory. Reasons are that the army knows that the risks of guns in the hands of non-combat zone soldiers greatly outweigh the potential benefits. Such things as potential for theft, use in fights and use by drunk soldiers really add to the risks in non-combat areas. Sorry, but IMAO there is no useful reason for assault weapons, 50 cal sniper rifles and the like in home storage facilities or in airports, banks, schools, hospitals or bars.

          If... the machine of government... is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. ~Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobediance, 1849

          by shigeru on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 01:19:19 PM PST

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