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  •  I guarantee you that if gun training was required (1+ / 0-)
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    there would be hundreds of gun training facilities opening several days after the law went into effect, that is the beauty of the free enterprise system.  It could also be something that is taught by local law enforcement and that would have two benefits, they would require registration and license before you could get training and they would know who owned guns in their areas.  The other requirement I would add is a home inspection to be sure that the owner has a safe place to keep their gun when not in use.  I adopt my dogs and I have to have a home inspection to be sure my home is a safe place for that animal.  A gun is a bigger responsibility than a dog.

    •  You can't be serious (7+ / 0-)
      The other requirement I would add is a home inspection to be sure that the owner has a safe place to keep their gun when not in use.
      Is this a wishlist or a realistic legislative goal? What government agency is going to go to gun owners' houses and search their home? Will these be random searches or scheduled searches?

      "I'm a progressive man and I like progressive people" Peter Tosh

      by Texas Lefty on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 08:14:08 AM PST

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      •  A gun is a serious responsibility and we have been (1+ / 0-)
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        treating it less seriously than owning a pet.  It is time to stop being stupid on this subject, it has been us the murder capital of the entire world.

        •  Of course it's a serious responsibility (5+ / 0-)

          But government agents inspecting and searching houses?

          "I'm a progressive man and I like progressive people" Peter Tosh

          by Texas Lefty on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 08:20:27 AM PST

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          •  How many people do you know that do not have a (0+ / 0-)

            gun safe and lock box for ammo, probably quite a few, inspection for home safety is essential.  

            •  I don't keep count (5+ / 0-)

              But you can't be serious.  There are 250-300 million guns in this country and tens of millions of gun owners.  What agency or future agency is going to do this? How is it going to be paid for? How would it work? And perhaps most importantly, would it ever pass Congress or the POTUS.  

              "I'm a progressive man and I like progressive people" Peter Tosh

              by Texas Lefty on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 08:32:22 AM PST

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            •  ? (3+ / 0-)

              I have neither a gun safe nor a lock box. Nor do I need either one in order to safely keep my firearm out of the hands of children. None of whom currently live in my home now that my grandsons are both over the age of 21. We all know where the gun is, where the shells are kept, and how to load/use it if need be. I have owned guns (long ones precisely because there have been children around and handguns are more of a danger to them) for half a century, none of them ever killed or injured a human being. We have always taken it so seriously that we never allowed our kids or grandkids to have toy guns growing up. Respect, they are deadly weapons and you don't 'play' at killing.

              How would you justify such Big Brother violations of the 4th amendment just so citizens can exercise their rights under the 2nd amendment? Hell, most states don't even require registration (for rifles/shotguns), and you want government inspectors in people's homes? Wow.

              •  The second amendment says "well regulated" (2+ / 0-)
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                You claim part of the right, you also get the responsibility, about dam time.

                •  Huh. You are certainly (1+ / 0-)
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                  at liberty to try and get government inspectors into people's homes, so go for it. I'm sure my opinion of the futility of such an effort won't stop you. Good luck with that. You'll need it.

                  •  The government does it all the time, gun owners (2+ / 0-)
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                    have just been exempt.  You want to sell a home, you have inspectors, you want to install a furnace you have inspectors, you want to drive a car you take it to be certified and inspected.  Gun owners have gotten a complete pass, the other side of this law, you don't have a license, a certification, a gun safe and a lock box and your gun is discovered, you lose your right to own a fire arm in this country.  People lose their rights all the time, like their right to vote, something much more important than then the right to own a gun.

                    •  Ah, so. You must live in a city. (1+ / 0-)
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                      I do not. I can build a deck, replace my roof, add a room, remodel my kitchen, dig a pond, plow my front yard, wire the shed, play with spudzukas, burn my Christmas tree in the back yard, install solar panels or windmills anywhere I like, dam the creek, plunk turkeys and groundhogs with bolts and arrows (if I cared to), throw things at bears or try to sting 'em with a pellet gun, behead pit vipers, carry my shotgun anywhere on the acreage and even shoot it (or fireworks) off just for fun any time I like, gub'ment and homeowners' associations don't give a shit.

                      Perhaps it wouldn't hurt your strategic planning per turning the US into an authoritarian system for the purpose of abrogating the Bill of Rights wholesale to remember that even as 2012 turns quickly into 2013, not everybody lives in a city.

                      •  If you own a gun you agree to the intrusion, we (1+ / 0-)
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                        lyvwyr101

                        just have not been enforcing that part of the 2nd Amendment. We are going to work to change that.

                        •  Which clause of the 2nd amendment (2+ / 0-)
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                          states that citizens must tolerate abrogation of the 4th in order to own a firearm? I'm not seeing it, and neither (apparently) has any Supreme Court in the history of this nation.

                          But I am not worried about your clever plan. First because I do not expect it to get anywhere off the comedy tour circuit, and secondly because there is no record of the particular firearm I own (and have owned for more than 30 years). But do give it your best try. The worst that can happen is that you'll be ignored, and that's no big deal.

                        •  Oh, and just to clarify (0+ / 0-)

                          per your ridiculous assertion, no. I have not "aggree[d] to intrustion," waived any other constitutional right, or signed any waiver on probable cause by owning a gun (or any other firearm I have legally owned in the past half century). Perhaps for new gun purchases you could get requisite waivers of the rest of the owner's constitutional rights, but there is also a constitutional tidbit about retroactive application of laws you might want to refresh yourself about.

                          Providing you're serious about this, but I don't get the impression that you are.

                          •  What part of well regulated do you not understand, (1+ / 0-)
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                            you drive you agree to license, you fly, you agree to an electronic strip search.  We have been woefully neglectful of the truly dangerous among us but now that needs to be changed, the term "well regulated" will find new meaning for all you gun "enthusiasts".

                    •  there are parts of this country with NO... (1+ / 0-)
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                      building codes.

                  •  When I got a gas dryer... (0+ / 0-)

                    A town inspector came out to sign off that it was hooked up correctly. It's part of the process of buying a dryer.

                    I don't see how it would be onorous to have proper records kept, to agree to store firearms safely, and accept liability if your firearms are used improperly.

            •  It would be valuable to focus on legislation.. (1+ / 0-)
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              that might stand a chance of being enacted.

      •  Do you know how it works in Japan ? (0+ / 0-)

        "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

        by indycam on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 08:28:14 AM PST

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        •  How does it work? (0+ / 0-)

          "I'm a progressive man and I like progressive people" Peter Tosh

          by Texas Lefty on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 08:33:03 AM PST

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          •  ... (4+ / 0-)
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            http://www.theatlantic.com/...

            To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don't forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years.
            http://www.guncite.com/...
            'Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police...' explains the Japanese National Police Agency. In twice-a-year visit, officers fill out Residence Information Cards about who lives where and which family member to contact in case of emergency, what relation people in the house have to each other, what kind of work they do, if they work late, and what kind of cars they own. The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure that no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.
            Tokyo is the safest major city in the world. Only 59,000 licensed gun owners live in Tokyo. Per one million inhabitants, Tokyo has 40 reported muggings a year; New York has 11,000. The handgun murder rate is at least 200 times higher in America than Japan. The official homicide rate in Japan in 1988 was 1.2 homicide cases per 100,000 population, while in America it was 8.4 homocide cases per 100,000.

            "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

            by indycam on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 08:47:54 AM PST

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            •  Japan is a very safe place. It is also a... (2+ / 0-)
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              fairly homogeneous society with a tradition of pacifism since the end of WWII. I think that this culture is more than just a bit helpful is controling all manner of violence and accepting a greater societal good. I love Japan and have had many Japanese friends. They are not without their problems but, on this issue thay think we are nuts.

    •  Training is required for an LTC is Boston... (0+ / 0-)

      and I can only think of 3 or 4 ranges that offer the training.
      You have to be an NRA member for all of them I believe...

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