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  •  I could not agree more (23+ / 0-)

    I find it outrageous when people describe themselves as responsible gun owners - and then consistently deny responsibility for anything that occurs with their weapons....

    The costs of caring for victims of shootings is astronomical, and those costs are now being borne for the most part by the victims themselves and taxpayers...there is something radically wrong with that formula

    I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

    by Wayward Wind on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 03:55:03 PM PST

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    •  Indeed. I just read a report on my county (where (14+ / 0-)

      concealed carry permits are quite difficult to get; 1300 of them in a county of 3 million). One of the points they raised was the financial costs of treating gun accident/shooting victims, about 50% of which is paid by the tax payer.

      That is NOT an insignificant figure.

      And here, according to the county figures, we have far less of a problem than surrounding counties. AND we are a relatively rich county; not something that can be said about neighboring San Bernardino, Imperial, or Riverside counties, for instance.

      It's an excellent point.

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 04:04:48 PM PST

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    •  Same for fire risk for masses of ammunition? (0+ / 0-)

      I know nothing about the storage of ammunition for firearms in real life. Fiction of course is full of assaults on ammunition dumps etc. with ensuing massive fires. Does it take a military unit to amass enough ammo to pose an explosion risk?

      "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

      by BlueStateRedhead on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 07:18:07 PM PST

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      •  Nope (1+ / 0-)
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        While the velocity of a bullet is far less when cooked off, it can still be dangerous - I have the scars to prove it from an experience when  was 14 and some idiot thought it would be fun to throw some .22 rounds into a campfire.

        Mass explosions from stored ammo are very rare, but they do happen. Far more dangerous are rounds in a loaded weapon that cook off in a fire - they are just as dangerous as if someone fired the weapon.

        But of course, some gun owners consider it a violation of their privacy to have to let the fire department - and neighbors - know that they have large quantities of ammunition in their houses.  Sigh....

        I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

        by Wayward Wind on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 01:59:29 AM PST

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        •  Is this it? Are they flammables? (0+ / 0-)

          If the ammo is stored separately from the arm, even those big clips were are reading about,
          --they represent no danger on their own
          --they represent some danger in a fire as in the campfire example

          ammo loaded in a gun, however are like shots from a gun, except with less velocity and of course no one is aiming.

          Is that it?

          Are they considered flammable? Liability in case of fire? Comparable to regulation of flammable liquids in multiple unit buildings in urban areas of the kind that regulate what I can have in my private laundry room in condo and what I can't have in the storage area in the common garage.....

          Or does the right to Keep arms mean that everything goes....

          "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

          by BlueStateRedhead on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 07:50:50 AM PST

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          •  Clarification (1+ / 0-)
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            Ammo stored outside of a weapon will explode, but there will not be nearly as much velocity as when it is fired from a weapon - the bullet goes in one direction and the cartridge casing goes in the opposite direction.  Both are still dangerous as attested to by my camp fire experience.

            A round in the chamber of a weapon will fire with about the same velocity as if someone had pulled the trigger and thus is very dangerous.

            Most jurisdictions have restrictions on the storage of gunpowder - quantity, storage method, etc. - but surprisingly few that I have been able to find have similar restrictions on ammunition.

            The bottom line is that ammunition is very dangerous to firefighters, and most will simply stand back and let the structure burn until there are no more sounds of rounds cooking off which, of course, puts adjacent houses at severe risk as well.

            I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

            by Wayward Wind on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 05:26:16 PM PST

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