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  •  Really? (12+ / 0-)

    Last I checked in with MN the leadership was saying, "Not so fast..."

    Which I took with a grain of salt, as showing your cards too soon is bad strategy.

    But, given MN just built a massive grassroots network to successfully stop the ban, I think it's SMART strategy not to let that power dissipate.

    I mean, the fundraising and activist network is there, and doubtlessly FIRED UP.

    Use it or lose it.

    It can be a great way for Dems to continue to build relationships with activists and groups that will work hard to protect their seats in the midterm cycle.

    "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

    by Scott Wooledge on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 07:07:57 PM PST

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    •  They certainly have publically pooh pooh'd it (4+ / 0-)

      in the papers but a little birdie who occasionally whispers in my direction says other wise.  Maybe he is blowing smoke up my ass or maybe it's wishful thinking on his part but he is in a position to know what the dfl leaders are planning so I'm cautiously optimistic.  It makes sense, pass it right off the bat and give the mushy middle two years to see that the sky didn't fall.

      •  And let the wingnuts who voted for the amendment (7+ / 0-)

        in the MN legislature last year sink even deeper into defeat.

      •  Yeah, if they can wrangle the votes (6+ / 0-)

        it does seen sooner is better than later. By 2016, it won't be an issue anymore.

        I don't have any birds whispering in my ear on MN. But I'd be surprised if they were not quietly counting votes in the DFL party.

        And clearly the haters demonstrated they can't turn out the voters. The chips got counted on Nov 6 and they came up short.

        "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

        by Scott Wooledge on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 07:43:09 PM PST

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        •  That's what it's all about! (1+ / 0-)
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          Long before this was a viable issue at the state level in Illinois, there was a movement to get a Human Rights Ordinance in Chicago.  One of the first years of the movement after it began in the mid-80's, supporters counted a majority of the 50 aldermen/women as supporters.  Expecting passage, supporters were stunned that it actually failed, partly because some aldermen got up and took a walk so that they were not on record voting yes or no.  One or two of those "walkers" actually represented wards with large out-of-the-closet LGBT populations.  As the stunned supporters stood outside the chamber, an opposing alderman walked out and snidely commented, "we're gong to teach how to count yet."

          The leadership and activists of the movement became more sophisticated with their strategies after that.  They asked for more concrete commitments from aldermen/women.  And since many aldermen were educated in parochial schools, a Jesuit brother researched their school backgrounds and then arranged for nuns from the appropriate orders affiliated with the school an alderman attended would come in and explain Catholic teaching on social justice to overcome objections and opposition based on being a Catholic.  One leader who watched the process said that it was like watching a schoolchild putting his hand out and waiting for the nun to smack it with a ruler.  (Catholic schools wee notorious for strict discipline and corporal punishment.)

          Sen. Gregg Scott mentioned above in the diary became prominent in both Chicago politics and the Chicago LGBT community as the Chief of Staff for Alderwoman Mary Ann Smith from the North Side lakefront in the early 90s.  So he learned from the Human Rights Ordinance efforts and through his boss's office how to count and how to get things done.f  If they are pulling out a big card to play like Obama's message, they feeling good about the possiblity of passage but are not overly confident.  Obama's message will have sway, but they also don't want to waste his time, effort, and good will.  That suggests to me that their count is close but not all sown up, and they hope this will help clinch the last votes.

      •  I confess (9+ / 0-)

        that would be some tasty schadenfreude if their efforts to ban gay marriage backfired so badly that the state did a full 180 in  a year.

        And I don't think, had the haters not given the MN gay community the opportunity to flex their muscle in Nov. 2012, we'd be even considering MN as a potential state in 2013. I dare say their attack moved up the timeline.


        "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

        by Scott Wooledge on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 07:49:14 PM PST

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        •  And it would mean MicheleBachmann was representing (2+ / 0-)
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          a state that legalized marriage equality to boot!  I imagine her reaction would be something like Richard Russell in the 60's, battling in the senate to keep minorities from having rights, only to discover that his home state had abolished the poll tax.

    •  What I am hearing (1+ / 0-)
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      from my stepfather, who is a state rep, and from my own state rep is that the members are going to push the agenda regardless of what leadership says.

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