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  •  In a perfect world... (1+ / 0-)
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    AllisonInSeattle

    In a perfect world everything works wonderfully.
    In the real world much less so.
    Conditions in a prison are much different than in a school and in police stations, officers still can still lose their gun.
    It just happened in New Jersey. http://www.reuters.com/...
    And let's not forget about FT Hood where someone went on a spree on a military base.

    I guess those 'modern holsters' don't work as well as you think they do...
    Those incidents happen with people with regular training. (and btw NY troopers have 90 hrs of gun training, and regular training after that). http://www.troopers.ny.gov/... )

    It's not teachers as a whole that's the problem. Vast majority are just fine. But you only need a tiny few that aren't and it's a huge problem. There's 90,000 public schools in the US, if you are 5 teachers in each school, that's 450,000 extra guns.  Now by statistics alone, a certain number of these guns are going to wound or kill someone accidentally each year. I don't know how many that is. Let's say its really low. Lets say not 1%, but 1/100 of that. So 0.01%, or one gun out of 10,000 wounds or kills someone accidentally every year.

    Apply that to 450,000 guns and you get 45 kids or teachers accidentally wounded or killed EACH YEAR. And there's no guarantee that having those guns is going to prevent shootings anyways.  Columbine had two resource officers based at the school. They couldn't do anything.
    45 kids or teachers wounded or killed a year is a perverse 'tax' or 'insurance premium' to pay to try to prevent 27 kids from dying especially when it's likely it won't even do that.

     (gee, think those extra gun and ammo sales might be a reason, NRA is pushing this, they get a bunch of sponsorship from gun companies, time to give some back...).  

    •  0.005% seems to be a good number (2+ / 0-)
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      lapin, AllisonInSeattle

      So I did some more digging.  The CDC says that about 14,000 people went to the ER for accidental gunshot injuries.
      There's about 270,000,000 guns in the US . 14,000/270,000,000 is about 0.00005, or 0.005%,
      so out of 450,000 guns (at 5 armed teachers per school), yo have 22.5 kids or teachers wounded or killed each year.
      So you're shooting just under the number of people who died at the NJ shooting each  year to prevent that kind of shooting from happening.  Yeah that makes sense...

    •  I have not forgotten about Ft. Hood. (1+ / 0-)
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      drmah

      If Democrats are seriously considering disarming the military, please know that you have my whole-hearted and earnest support in this matter. Many lives would be saved if Barry couldn't order capricious drone bombings in sovereign nations.

      I do advise against such action, because though it is absolutely deserved, there's no way you can prevail against Democratic Party leadership which loves the idea of sending rampaging maniacs to other countries to do whatever in the hell they like. If you try to fight that political battle, you will lose.

      As for armed teachers, I'm not sure why you're so upset about accidental deaths. Surely if you were upset by this, you'd be proposing Assault Vehicle Bans, and trying to limit the number of cylinders in internal combustion engines.

      I do not think there is any merit in the type of firearms regulation progressives support. You are all acting very hysterically, you ignore those statistics that don't flatter your arguments, and you are trying to punish millions of people for the crimes a single deranged individual committed.

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