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  •  That's not what you said. (14+ / 0-)

    Go back and read your comment. You were very forcefully stating that Obama singularly caused 2010 because he allowed the Republicans to obstruct freely and didn't champion his "agenda triumphs."

    Don't you recall that there were many  Blue Dog Democrats who were not willing to vote on more progressive aspects of PBO's legislation? It wasn't just the Republicans.

    Don't you recall that some of the more liberal Democrats,
    spent more time on cable TV and writing diaries on Internet blogs, attacking/criticizing the President - including attacking him for his signature accomplishments,  than calling out their own GOP colleagues in congress?

    Don't you recall that some so-called progressive cable TV hosts, writers, bloggers, spent more time advocating to not vote in order to teach PBO a lesson for pushing "watered down" legislation, rather than championing some of the accomplishments you now refer to as "agenda triumphs?"

    The President had very little to do with 2010. Why are you only focused on the President when there were so many other reasons for 2010?

    •  In 2010, most of Blue dogs who refused to run on (16+ / 0-)

      his records or ran away from the President lost their races.

      In 2012, despite MSM previews, Pres. Obama ran on his records even embrace the term Obamacare, then guess what? he wins reelection.

      Yet he is somehow to blame for Blue Dogs' choice to avoid him like plague in 2010.

      "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

      by LaurenMonica on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 08:40:15 AM PST

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      •  Exactly, And that's why (12+ / 0-)

        I have very little to ZERO tolerance for such dishonest comments about Obama's supposed failure to do this or that when the very Democrats who were responsible for running bringing about THEIR own re-elections were too damn coward and spent more time on Cable TV or hobnobbing with their conservative lobbyists in Washington.

      •  This is true, I agree (1+ / 0-)
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        We forget how much of a role the Blue Dogs played in 2010.  They were staunchly opposed to most of what ended up getting passed by Dems in those first two years and, spooked by the Tea Partiers, refused to tout accomplishments.  IIRC, many Blue Dogs refused to even take credit for the modest stimulus program and major projects like High Speed Rail.

        Though she was later re-elected after changing her tune and praising Dem policies, I'll always remember the video of Claire McCaskill apologizing to hostile Tea Partiers at town hall meetings. She told them she agreed with them.  Ugh.

        They weren't the primary cause of the 2010 defeat, but Blue Dog intransigence took a lot of momentum out of Dem accomplishments in 2010.  They helped validate Tea Party talking points, something that was covered extensively in the media at the time.

        2010 happened in large part because Dem leadership in DC was not fully behind touting their own accomplishments and policy agenda and feared running on a more populist message.  They were also woefully out of touch with average middle-class voters and miscalculated just how much people were suffering because of the economic downturn.  

        Purging the party of many of the Blue Dogs and Third Way centrist crapola freed up Dems to run on their own accomplishments and vision with a more populist message about jobs, etc.  in 2012.

        Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

        by Betty Pinson on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 10:41:04 AM PST

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    •  I appreciate your post(s)- let me respond (3+ / 0-)

      Obamacare was a triumph, even without the public option.  That's what I felt then and that's what I feel now.  I was not with FDL on that and never was. The president made a mistake in letting the process get out of control, letting Baucus dither for 6 months while Rome burned, Ted Kennedy's seat was lost and the public became distrustful of ACA.  Regardless, it was a great singular acheivement.  My point is that it was not portrayed as such by our party (something I found perplexing then).  Polling showed it was unpopular then, leading in part our huge losses.  Our messaging was off on Obamacare -- we let the GOP define it (death panels!!).  I think that this was a highly unfortunate development; I also thought it was preventable then and I still do.  I am not a political pro so there may be reasons why things developed that way, but I am by no means pinning the full blame on him-- there was plenty of blame to go around for 2010. Also, there are historical precedents for mid term losses and I get that, but this was a catastrophic loss that of course spilled over to state losses leading to redistricting etc, etc.  We're going to have to live with the consequences of 2010 for the better part of this decade.  

      Stimulus was a triumph too, but it was too small.  On the left (led by Krugman) every one was saying it was not enough, but that was not the basis to oppose the President or to attack him.  Pointing out a policy error in good faith is evidence of support not opposition.  If I was in Congress it would have never crossed my mind to vote against the stimulus because it was too small, because like every Democrat who voted for it, we knew this was the best we could get. But that issue is an internal issue among us progressives.  The big picture is that the stimulus was a triumph because (regardless of its size) it was enough to stop the TOTAL MELTDOWN of our economy.  And it saved or created a few million jobs.  Again, though, the right seized on the message that this was wasteful government spending and we never successfully countered that.  Again, plenty of blame to go around for not showcasing the success of the stimulus.  

      But why ask me; why don't we ask the President about his biggest mistake.  He acknowledged that he failed to convey the message of his policy successes and inspire the population, something he promised to do better in his second term.  

      When I think about what we've done well and what we haven't done well," the president said, "the mistake of my first term - couple of years - was thinking that this job was just about getting the policy right. And that's important. But the nature of this office is also to tell a story to the American people that gives them a sense of unity and purpose and optimism, especially during tough times.
      He doesn't need to try to do that in his second term because he did so successfully during the election.  He learned this lesson by the time of the 2012 campaign, which was focused and partisan.  He had given up on the bipartisan unicorn by the time of the election. This is evidenced by today's comment on MTP, finally pinning the blame for obstruction where it belongs, on the congressional Republicans. It's news that he finally said that. That was the point of Greg Dworkin's post and I agreed.  

      So this is a long winded answer to a relatively short post.  Please do not read too much into what I said in the original. I never wavered in my support of President Obama from his senate campaign in Illinois through Grant Park in 2008, through the dark days of the mid term through today.  I would NEVER vote against him at the ballot box or in our little corner of the world here at DKOS.  I hope this explains and illuminates my views regardless whether you agree with my perspective. And if you disagree, please do so with respect and without resorting to name calling. I am not a hypocrite and please do not call me one.  

    •  I will have to agree with this. (5+ / 0-)

      He was getting hit from all sides and now someone wants to blame him for the Dems losing the House in 2010?

      Superman syndrome if you ask me.

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