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    "planned to engage in sniper attacks against protestors in Houston, Texas, if deemed necessary" doesn't seem the way the FBI would be talking about right-wing terrorists if that's what some people are suggesting. "If deemed necessary" sounds like language suggesting that some rational entity is making a reasonable judgment of possibly shooting at us.

    -- Ryvr
    END THIS WAR NOW

    by Ryvr on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 10:48:23 AM PST

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    •  I don't read it as the sniper being an official (10+ / 0-)

      It sounds to me like they were investigating some nutcase that was planning on taking down OWS organizers they saw as "leaders", if they showed up in Texas.

      The questions is what fills in that blank? Is it an identified potential domestic terrorist like some right wing nut job or is it an identified FBI or other security agent? It seems to me that if it was an official, it wouldn't be written the way it was.

      It looks like they were actually watching the person that was planning to act as sniper if anyone from OWS showed up in Texas.

      An identified BLANK as of October planned to engage in sniper attacks against protestors in Houston, Texas, if deemed necessary. An identified BLANK had received intelligence that indicated the protesters in New York and Seattle planned similar protests in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio and Austin, Texas. BLANK planned to gather intelligence against the leaders of the protest groups and obtain photographs, then formulate a plan to kill the leadership via suppressed sniper rifles

      "Compassion is the radicalism of our time." ~ Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama -7.88, -6.21

      by Siri on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 11:42:02 AM PST

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      •  thought experiment (1+ / 0-)
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        try substituting any of the following for protestors/protest groups in the statement:

        * president/cabinet
        * chief justice/supreme court justices
        * ambassador/diplomat
        * pope/cardinals

        etc.

        for instance:

        An identified BLANK as of October planned to engage in sniper attacks against the president in Houston, Texas, if deemed necessary. An identified BLANK had received intelligence that indicated the president and  members of his cabinet met with diplomats in New York and Seattle to plan similar negotiations in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio and Austin, Texas. BLANK planned to gather intelligence against the leaders of the negotiating teams and obtain photographs, then formulate a plan to kill the leadership via suppressed sniper rifles

        just saying

        •  I really believe that the way it's written (9+ / 0-)

          shows that the person/group they are watching was external and not part of the FBI or other government organization. Yes, if you substitute anything else for OWS you start thinking about who might be targeting that person. It doesn't read like the report recounts an official plan, rather the surveillance of someone they deemed a threat to OWS organizers.

          I do hate what was done to OWS in painting them as some kind of dangerous group engaging in anything other than utterly peaceful protest. I hate the violence used against the protesters by police; the batons, the pepper spray, the horses, tear gas and bean bag rounds. It was brutal and unwarranted. They clearly targeted people trying to report what was happening. I'm sure that groups were infiltrated & monitored and that innocent people probably had all their communications under surveillance. It's abhorrent to me that people exercising their rights to free speech & assembly were targeted in that way.

          Having said that, I do not believe that the FBI or any other official agency was planning a sniper attack against OWS organizers. This document, in my estimation, shows that quite to the contrary, they were tracking someone that deemed to be a threat to OWS. We really don't know what happened to this potential sniper since the rest of the document is redacted. There were protests in Texas. This sniper scenario thankfully never unfolded. I would love to find out who this person/group was. I don't know if that's information we'll ever be able to get.

          "Compassion is the radicalism of our time." ~ Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama -7.88, -6.21

          by Siri on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 01:27:30 PM PST

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        •  I'm not sure my brain can perform the mental (5+ / 0-)

          gymnastics to imagine a government actor who will cheerfully contemplate assassination, yet at the same time honor a FOIA request that reveals those same musings.

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