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  •  I don't believe your take is any closer to the (15+ / 0-)

    truth than the other diarists.   It seems a bit naive to me to think that the FBI met with all these groups to discuss the threat of Occupy Wall Street, continuously invoking the prospect of violence, but did nothing to minimize the perceived threat.  I mean these are the unclassified docs; I wonder what the classified one say...

    Is it the FBI's job to monitor and provide surveillance of a group like OWS?  To coordinate with banks and private citizens about the First Amendment protected activities of other private citizens?  Is it the FBI's duty to monitor domestic groups that have committed no crime?

    •  The bank meetings were about fraud. (9+ / 0-)

      Most of the reports that are concerning the banks was with their fraud divisions and yes I do expect that the FBI would be providing banks information about fraud.  

      The banks were more concerned with cyber fraud and Anonymous than they were with OWS.

      Some reports to the FBI came directly from OWS members.  Others were pure crime reports.  

      There were actually very few "surveillance" reports and the ones that are there actually paint a pretty good picture of OWS.

    •  We largely have to move by inference and (4+ / 0-)

      supposition at this point--given the exceedingly limited amount of documentation produced and the screaming silence of the admin on the subject.

      However, look at the Obama admin's reaction to anything related to "terror."  The drone assassinations.  The NDAA and the its embrace of a policy of a lack of transparency or supervision on the issue of surveillance of Americans and their emails/phone calls.  

      Do you really think this admin would have any trepidation about trying to shut down a nascent protest movement it characterized as potentially terrorist from the very first?

      "To recognize error, to cut losses, to alter course, is the most repugnant option in government." Historian Barbara Tuchman

      by Publius2008 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 11:22:37 AM PST

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      •  Via sniper attacks? (6+ / 0-)

        Absolutely.   That you think otherwise is sad.  

        What a travesty.  Some idiots here are accusing Obama of collusion with potential murder committed on peaceful protesters, calling for Impeachment, and others gleefully fall in line?    Shame.  

        •  If the admin wants to clarify this at any point (1+ / 0-)
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          we are, as we have been, anxious to hear from it.

          "To recognize error, to cut losses, to alter course, is the most repugnant option in government." Historian Barbara Tuchman

          by Publius2008 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 11:40:07 AM PST

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        •  Amazing the compartmentalization that goes on. (2+ / 0-)
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          Drones are in use, with targets picked out and approved by an unelected advisor/ex military man.

          It is pretty disconcerting to realize it is as easy as a change in direction, a focus on using military assets right here at home and there we go.  

          We had reports of torture suppressed for a year to make the Bush Admin and the Pentagon look squeaky clean before an election.

          Why wouldn't there be an effort to manipulate a spreading protest that was unpredictable as to how much success it might have?

    •  The other diaries are sensationalizing (17+ / 0-)

      reports that on the face are mostly routine investigations into possible threats or possible instances of violence eruptions.    The diaries lazily make assumptions of relationships that are unproven, and sell them as fact.  Indeed, the "sniper" document is being held up as the most fearful, when indeed it is one of the most egregious examples of overreach.  

       To assume that the FBI planned sniper attacks on peaceful OWS protesters is ridiculous as it is, but to believe the FBI would allow documents talking about FBI sniper attacks on peaceful OWS protesters to see the light of day is hilariously naïve and pathetic.  

      You can wonder all you want about the "classified" documents, that is your prerogative.  But to reach paranoid conclusions based on the mostly-routine documents shown here is wrongheaded.  

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