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  •  Someone has a vested interest (2+ / 0-)
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    JVolvo, bronte17

    in shutting this conversation down. Sources that are well respected in the progressive community and that practice exceptionally good journalism have been critically examining the FBI documents.  The sudden descent of a diarist and commentors who obviously wish to distract the Kos community from the work of people like Amy Goodman is passing strange and warrents some critical observation..  

    Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

    by tikkun on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 09:29:47 PM PST

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    •  You are absolutely wrong on this. (1+ / 0-)
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      Bill W

      I posted a link to the ORIGINAL documents so that people could read them and draw their own conclusions.  The other two diaries relied on third party reporting which is fine but I prefer to look at the source data and make up my mind.  

      NO ONE is trying to shut down any conversation.  I want as many people as possible to look at the documents.  You don't get to control what conclusion they draw from those documents after reading them.

      •  You're Right, I Don't Get To Control Anything (1+ / 0-)
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        but I do have the right to suggest to others that we have more knowledgeable people available to us help us make sense of what we are reading.  We have Amy Goodman, and others like her, who bring together expert witness, if you will, with experience of the politics and culture of these organizations and people who understand the literature.

        To assume that each of us can draw meaningful conclusions from reading the decuments on our own is a little like saying that anyone can read the Bible and draw their own conclusions...Yes they can but their conclusions are ilkely to be very faulty, misleading and naive.  

        What I appreciated about the other two diaries is that they gave us a path to knowledgable people who can help us parse what we're reading in useful ways.

        Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

        by tikkun on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 06:37:10 AM PST

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    •  it is called "critical thinking" (0+ / 0-)

      the other three diaries were an exercise in groupthink.  Reading through the documents gives an entirely different picture than what is being presented in those diaries or from those "well respected" sources.  Sorry, but making up your own mind is desirable over just oohing and awing over "well respected" sources.   Using the bible analogy, I prefer to read passages myself and interpret them myself rather than just listening to someone telling me what the interpretation should be.  

      The problem here is overreach bordering on hysteria.  So, based on these documents, which have no proof whatsoever and, to me, don't convey what is being "sold" in those threats, I am supposed to join in screaming from the rooftops that Obama should be impeached, the administration was complicit in plotting murder against peaceful protesters, etc.?    

      Just dreadful.  Make a point, but leave the hysteria out until you have some real proof.  The right-wing tea-baggers are reactionary fools.  I don't like it anymore just because the unproven paranoia is coming from the left.

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