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  •  I am beginning to think that (10+ / 0-)

    including the sequester at this time is a bad idea.  Since we will not be going for a "grand bargain", once tax cuts are passed, we will need leverage vis a vis the debt ceiling.  Defense sequesters are that leverage.  This regular showdown over the debt ceiling has to end.

    •  It can end by the President invoking the 14th (3+ / 0-)
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      amendment and forcing this to the Supreme Court.  He has an obligation to protect the full faith and credit of the United States and to finally get the debt ceiling declared unconstitutional.

      •  It won't go to the Supreme Court. (0+ / 0-)

        It will be the excuse for the House to impeach.

      •  do you think that's what jed meant by (1+ / 0-)
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        obama could delay the effects himself?  that caught my attention.

        Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

        by Cedwyn on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 07:46:27 AM PST

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        •  I think it's more that (1+ / 0-)
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          The overall budget has to pass the congress, but there's has a lot of leeway in how that money is used. He can re assign monies within cabinet departments, and shuffle things a bit.

          Not with everything, of course, but there are some things he can decide without congressional input.

          •  I believe that is correct. (0+ / 0-)

            He has some discretionary funds, emergency stuff that he can move to cover the few real deadfalls in the sequester, the UI and DocFix in particular. The rest of the sequester comes on more slowly and adjustment can be made, parts of it rolled back, levels bargained down, et cetera.

            If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

            by CwV on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 09:48:21 AM PST

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      •  The President disagrees with that. (1+ / 0-)
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        From December 6:  

        Q    Okay.  And secondly, can we quickly revisit the debt ceiling question?  You were asked yesterday about whether the President would invoke executive power and the 14th Amendment.  Can you say that --

        MR. CARNEY:  And Peter, with lightning speed, dug up a quote that I thought would take at least a few hours to find.  (Laughter.)  Let me --

        Q    Have you found another one?  (Laughter.)  

        Q    Can you say that the President has ruled that out as an option, or can you say whether there are discussions or studies underway?

        MR. CARNEY:  Let me give you your answer.  I can say that this administration does not believe that the 14th Amendment gives the President the power to ignore the debt ceiling -- period.

        If he were to take that position after that unambiguous statement, he would be doing something that he believes is contrary to the Constitution, and thus violating his oath of office.  

        That would be a bad thing for him.  

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