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  •  Gerrymandering is a political process. (7+ / 0-)

    It is enabled because in enough states, the people elected a GOP legislature and governor, so they get pro-GOP gerrymandering. But the roots of it are at the same polling places we're talking about.

    •  The roots include big dirty money (6+ / 0-)

      The billionaires weren't able to buy much at the national level in the 2012 elections, but the gerrymandering got done at the state level, by folks elected in 2010.  Money carried more weight in 2010, and at the state level.

      We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

      by david78209 on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 08:07:35 AM PST

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    •  How does that build on your prior statemet (1+ / 0-)
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      First you made a numerical point. Lost that argument.

      Then you switch to a political one. Or rather I should say a legal  one since the House being turned into a place where you can so lose the popular vote and still win based on gerrymandering raises issues of one man, one vote.

      States do not have a carte blanche right under one man one vote to do whatever they want despite the fact thab both parties are currently ignoring this reality.

    •  it's tied in to the census (1+ / 0-)
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      4mygirls

      and "we" dems have done the same thing.

      democrats need to do a better job at the state and local level and people need to understand elections matter even on off year elections. the democratic party can help here too but at some point, voters have responsibility to educate themselves and engage.

      mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

      by wewantthetruth on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 08:42:11 AM PST

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      •  Why blame the people? (0+ / 0-)

        The people are doing all they can do - vote.  The parties are the ones who have constructed these terrible districts (and you rightly point out that both sides have done so).  

        The parties both benefit from tight control of an electoral process, despite having no constitutional authority to do so.  They're not about to give up something that empowers themselves.  

        For example, in Georgia in 2012, about 2.1 million people voted for Romney, and 1.8 million voted for Obama, about a 53/46 split.  Meanwhile, of 14 seats that Georgia has in the US House, only 5 went to Democrats, or 36%.  If the Tea Party hadn't pushed a terrible candidate to one of those races, they could have pushed that number down to 4 of 14, about 29%.   You can't pin that on voters - they don't draw the district lines, they don't vote on the district lines that are drawn, and "How I would draw district lines" is not exactly a hot-button campaign issue.  

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