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  •  People acting to preserve face, (5+ / 0-)

    to avert personal humiliation that is already a foregone conclusion, don't generally behave rationally. They make poor decisions.

    This is a big variable that could be affecting John Boehner's behavior right now.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 07:24:32 AM PST

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    •  That is a very great point (2+ / 0-)
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      When looked it through that lens, I see the current Speaker as flailing and agreeing to concessions on the other side of the cliff.

      Which should make the resulting tea party base of the GOP gnash teeth and wail for the next 30 days.

      It will be interesting to see if the saner parts of the GOP wake up and realize just how badly they lost this last election, and that to avoid further losses they will have to bring their ball and play.

      --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

      by idbecrazyif on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 07:27:28 AM PST

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      •  There's this, too. (3+ / 0-)
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        The RW has been so successful in advancing its agenda in recent decades, coming to dominate the American political landscape, by its persistence. When its talking-points haven't been well-served in the outcome of a particular negotiation or election, this well-funded beast just gets up and it tries again. The apparatus understands persistence, and it plays for the long term.

        Now, the GOP (and the whole RW) are truly, honest-to-God, over a barrel. They are in an unprecedented situation with these negotiations, against a popular Democratic president, and coming, as they do, on the heels of a string of shocking defeats in important national elections in recent years. Persistence won't work. The GOP won't just be able to bull-doze its way through, as in the past. It's not 1980, and it never will be, again. The conservatives badly need a new  game-plan. And we are talking here about people who don't "do" change especially well.

        Interesting times we live in.

        It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

        by karmsy on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 07:48:14 AM PST

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        •  There are many people who are hoping for change (1+ / 0-)
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          A republic doesn't function well when one side is as dysfunctional as the RW have been in the last decade.

          --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

          by idbecrazyif on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 07:52:12 AM PST

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        •  the bottom line is (2+ / 0-)
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          the GOP does not give a shit about what happens. They proved it when they allowed US to default during the debt limit crisis.

          we already know they only care about the 2% so unless the 2% are hurt dramatically, the GOP can be intransigent.

          Hoping to go over the fiscal non-cliff. best option at this point and makes a point to the GOP.

          mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

          by wewantthetruth on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 09:26:01 AM PST

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          •  Interesting way of putting it, thanks. n/t (0+ / 0-)

            It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

            by karmsy on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 01:15:38 PM PST

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