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  •  Before you pass along a hit piece... (8+ / 0-)

    Laura Clawson

    Before you pass along a hit piece on the University of Minnesota or any other college, perhaps you should educate yourself.  Many of those "administrators" (a word that I don't know how the WSJ defined since I can't read the article) are research people.  They are not paid by the dime of taxpayers and they do not subtract from the education experience.  

    In case you are unaware, the states have been starving higher education over the past decade.  Many research institutions have turned to private money to make up for what the states have cut.  The University of Minnesota has people in marketing who recruit students and solicit donations from alumni -- they are beggars trying to make up the difference.

    Furthermore, those "fancy buildings" you speak of, at least at Minnesota, are paid for mainly by the State through bonding, NOT tuition.

    There are two sides to every story.  Should I expect better from Daily Kos?  I honestly don't know anymore.  This site has become little more than a place to bitch.  I certainly expected your snide little headline.

    •  Like I said upthread (1+ / 0-)
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      The bashing of higher-education staff and administration from the left is VERY similar to the right's bashing of public employees. Bashing people who are trying to make a decent living is NOT what I expect from a Democratic site.

      •   Not staff, administration. It IS a problem that (3+ / 0-)
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        417els, fuzzyguy, AoT

        Chancellors and Presidents are making so much, while new asst. professors are making less and less, and staff are being laid off.

        "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

        by ranger995 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 09:34:34 PM PST

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    •  There is no doubt some administrative bloat; (5+ / 0-)

      I've seen it first hand.

      But, the lion's share of the problem of skyrocketing tuition and decreases in the quality of the education and the amount of research have a heck of a lot more to do with the loss of state funding most of these universities have lost.

    •  sorry - (2+ / 0-)
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      peregrine kate, AoT

      I finished my BS there not too long ago. It took 8 years part time so I got to see the double-digit annual increases in tuition and fees  ($25 per student per semester to pay for the stadium I will never step foot in).
      In the meantime the college and department I was in was wasted away to nothing. When I began there were a full bench of professors, by the time I left there were only 4 remaining - TAs and recent grads filling in the holes. It was shameful and a massive waste of money. Now I realize the state has been hacking away at the U for many years, but that alone does not explain everything.

    •  Oh bullshit. (2+ / 0-)
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      Alden, METAL TREK

      Having worked in a number of these institutions as a faculty member for the past nearly two decades, this is laughable and misleading.

      The basic situation, and the structural trend, is exactly as described, and it has been exactly as described for some time, and there are about a thousand studies that show this conclusively.

      The only administrators getting hired in these scenarios are people who are being brought on to administer corporate grants which pay for 'research' that corporations own, which doesn't contribute to the teaching work of the institution or the basic scholarly work of faculty, and which are regularly funded without accounting for those administrative costs, so that universities -- and by extension students and more regular academic faculty -- are squeezed in the process of being co-opted into becoming the R&D departments of major corporations.  Please let me play a thousand tiny violins while I weep angels tears for the poor 'administrators' -- read grifters -- who are working in those positions while more and more faculty are being forced into adjunct positions without benefits, basic research support, compensation for any service, etc.  Oh please, I feel so bad for those administrators.  

      Fuck that shit.

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