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  •  By this logic . . . (7+ / 0-)

    the Democrats will have to give in to each and every Republican demand in order to get a UI extension.  

    Is there any Republican demand you think the Democrats can properly refuse, even if it means there's no UI extension?

    "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

    by FogCityJohn on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 12:05:00 PM PST

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    •  Umm, They Do? So We're Cutting SS? (0+ / 0-)

      Because that was what they were demanding and they aint' getting it.

      They got nothing except a fig leaf of a rise in the marginal rate to cover their asses (assuming this rumored deal even happens). They got NO CUTS WHATSOEVER. So WTF are you talking about? What demands did they get?

      I supposed you think we shouldn't negotiatiate at all, ever, and just let everything go to hell and get nothing done. How Republican of you.

      Yeah. That'll work.

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      by Beetwasher on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 12:07:54 PM PST

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      •  This doesn't answer my question. (6+ / 0-)

        Which was fairly simple:

        Is there any Republican demand you think the Democrats can properly refuse, even if it means there's no UI extension?
        What's your answer?

        As for cutting Social Security, I think it's quite likely we'll get it.  After all, the president himself proposed chained CPI and has said he's willing to carry through.  From his interview on MTP yesterday:

        David, as you know, one of the proposals we made was something called Chain CPI, which sounds real technical but basically makes an adjustment in terms of how inflation is calculated on Social Security. Highly unpopular among Democrats. Not something supported by AARP. But in pursuit of strengthening Social Security for the long-term I'm willing to make those decisions.

        "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

        by FogCityJohn on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 12:13:14 PM PST

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        •  Your Question Is Stupid (0+ / 0-)

          Since it's obvious he's refused their demands for cuts to ss among other things and still got what he wanted and got it for a fig leaf of a rise in the marginal tax rate.

          So what's your point? GOP got nothing. We get more revenue and UI extension.

          We win. You still bitch and moan impotently.

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          by Beetwasher on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 12:16:23 PM PST

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          •  They got nothing? (0+ / 0-)

            What are you talking about?  It appears that they will get Obama to raise the income level for the Bush tax cut extension from $250 to $450K.  That's something right there.

            In addition, the Democrats are giving up their one trump card -- the expiration of the Bush tax cuts -- and not getting anything in return on issues like the debt ceiling or the sequesters.  All that's going to happen is that the Republicans are going to turn around and use the debt ceiling to extort more concessions from the Democrats.  And I can't fault them from a purely strategic perspective.  The Democrats have repeatedly shown that they'll cave, so it makes sense for the Republicans to hold out for ever more concessions.

            You call my question stupid only because you're terrified of answering it.  You're treating getting a UI extension as some sort of moral imperative, and as a result, you can't name a single concession that would be too big to get it.  In other words, you'd give Republicans anything they asked for as long as they agreed to a UI extension.  There's simply no limit to how far the Republicans could push you.  You'd be an even worse negotiator than the Democrats in Washington.

            "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

            by FogCityJohn on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 03:59:27 PM PST

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