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  •  Yes, Happy New Year to you as well (1+ / 0-)
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    At least despite our differences we can agree on that.

    PS: I'm sorry that you feel that being asked to explain and justify your fear-mongering is condescending, but if you really feel that way you should consider abstaining from commenting on the internet.

    You never trust a millionaire/Quoting the sermon on the mount/I used to think I was not like them/But I'm beginning to have my doubts -- The Arcade Fire

    by tomjones on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 11:32:29 AM PST

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    •  Fear-mongering? More like reality-mongering... (4+ / 0-)
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      What does "shared sacrifice" mean, exactly?

      There has been abso-f*cking-lutely NOTHING SIGNIFICANT that has occurred, as far as real sacrifice is concerned, with regard to the 1% "sharing" in any economic sacrifice; and, that's since the onset of our country's Great Recession.

      This entire economic nightmare has been foisted upon the backs of the 99%. Period.

      The entire concept of "shared sacrifice," in and of itself, is nothing but status quo spin.

      I suppose I'm just "imagining" that the "banks own the place," as far as D.C.'s concerned.

      I suppose I'm just imagining that William Daley and Jack Lew--the last and current chiefs-of-staff in the White House--aren't Wall Street imports, from JP Morgan Chase and Citigroup, respectively.

      I supposed I'm just imagining that the President reappointed a Republican to run the Federal Reserve; and a died-in-the-wool leader of the New York community as his Treasury Secretary?

      I suppose I'm just imagining that the acolytes of Robert Rubin, if not Robert Rubin, himself--all of the very people that got us into this mess in the first place--aren't driving the fiscal cliff bullshit which we're dealing with right now.

      Yeah. It must be my fear-mongering...that's brought us into a bullshit housing "recovery," which is more about the 1% buying up distressed property to further expand their efforts to transform America into a true rentier society.

      Yeah. It must be my fear-mongering...that's created the greatest economic disparity between this country's haves and have-nots in the past 100 years. (And, it's getting worse, not better.)

      Yeah. It must be my fear-mongering...that's created the most severe incidence of long-term joblessness this country's every seen since metrics were first created to define this.

      "Shared sacrifice." There is NOTHING shared about it.

      "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

      by bobswern on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 11:51:27 AM PST

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      •  Shared Sacrifice is Positively Orwellian. (3+ / 0-)
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        Much like the term Entitlement, or Fiscal Cliff.

        The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

        by teacherjon on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 11:54:51 AM PST

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      •  Well, thank you for elaborating (0+ / 0-)

        But I am well aware of your ongoing critique of the Obama Administration and its policies.

        How does all that answer my question about your allegation that this current deal is gutting a half-century of progressive policies?

        It seems to specifically exclude direct or indirect cuts to Medicare and SS, which was the only concrete thing you cited.

        Also, do you remember how we got to the point where this "fiscal cliff" didn't include cuts to entitlements? Why, it was Pres. Obama! My word.

        You never trust a millionaire/Quoting the sermon on the mount/I used to think I was not like them/But I'm beginning to have my doubts -- The Arcade Fire

        by tomjones on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 12:15:43 PM PST

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        •  This is a mostly temporary solution, delaying... (0+ / 0-)

          ...matter, what? 60 or 90 days? And, that's ASSUMING this bears any semblance to what actually ends up being passed...which is a stretch, at best. So, everyone--including you, apparently--will jump on the meme: "See, that wasn't so bad." When, in fact, very little will have occurred, at least with regard to the passage of any comprehensive, legislative solution.

          The REALITY is the President has stated, numerous times, that the 99% will be taking a hit. The 1% and the corporations? Virtually this entire round of kabuki is about what, exactly? The 1% having to pay 2% or 3% more in income taxes? (Will it even retrace what the 1% were paying in taxes back during the 90's? Well, we don't know yet, do we?)

          How low of a bar will be set over the next day, or two, or three?

          The real answer to that is: JUST BARELY ENOUGH TO SPIN SOMETHING THAT BEARS SOME SEMBLANCE TO SOMETHING SUBSTANTIVE.

          Meanwhile--much more likely than not--the substantive solution will be deferred.

          Rinse. Repeat.

          The kabuki continues...same channel...same time...stay tuned....in the meantime, please change the channel to your favorite "reality t.v. show." (Which is anything BUT "reality.")

          "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

          by bobswern on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 12:30:03 PM PST

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