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  •  it isn't about guts (2+ / 0-)
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    Vote4Obamain2012, Beetwasher

    the republicans aren't being logical.  they don't care about politics.

    they don't care about america.  i don't think they even care about their own party.

    -You want to change the system, run for office.

    by Deep Texan on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 12:11:13 PM PST

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    •  Sure it is. It takes guts to take on illogical, (3+ / 0-)

      nihilist lunatics for what they are instead of treating them like rationale, caring , sane human beings.  What is wrong with being the one who says the emperor has no clothes ... or the repubs are insane, illogical and selfish people.

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 12:15:30 PM PST

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      •  to be more precise, it's about money (0+ / 0-)

        not guts, balls or logic.

        -You want to change the system, run for office.

        by Deep Texan on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 12:17:15 PM PST

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      •  they know they are well gerrymanderred into (1+ / 0-)
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        their current seats. They will win reelection. Their seats are safe. So, they could not care less what their national reputation is (ie your "bad politics"). So, that does not motivate them. Sure nationally their reputation may go to crap (if they even become famous due to this - infamous among us and heroes to tea party members everywhere), but they will win reelection. On the other hand, people missing out on meals will go hungry without unemployment benefits.  

        So, how is it worth it for some politicians to retain their seats and simply have their national reputation sullied among some at the expense of those who rely upon unemployment compensation to live ?

        How does that make sense ? I know you are a smart scientist, so please Help out this mathematician here. thanks .

        •  I understand your point, but (1+ / 0-)
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          the work around to the static gerrymandered districts is that the vote in the House will need to be all the Dems and some, less fixed repubs.  If that's the case, then there's room for pressure.

          Also, I believe that taking a strong stand serves to educate the people.  That's worth a lot in the long term.  I just don't get why the Dems are averse to causing some short term pain for long term gain even if those getting screwed are the most vulnerable.  After all, they will be getting screwed long term otherwise.  

          The Repubs keep winning negotiations because they know the Dems are soft.  As callous as this all sounds, there's really only one way to deal with and that is to be ruthless as well.  WHen you're holding all the cards - like now - is the best time to be callous.

          The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

          by accumbens on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 02:00:53 PM PST

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      •  most people aren't paying attention (1+ / 0-)
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        their followers happily eat up the bullshit.

        with politics being like sports, it doesn't matter how wrong or how bad they hurt their own constituents.

        plenty will still vote for them over the dems.

        -You want to change the system, run for office.

        by Deep Texan on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 12:34:52 PM PST

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