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  •  Yes indeed (12+ / 0-)

    And yet, I'm pretty much a Centrist.

    My unhappiness should be a bad thing!

    •  I'm to the right of you. (6+ / 0-)

      Expecially on national security and the environment. And I'm pretty much a "christian nation" type. Of course, that would be mainline protestant and not evangelical wingnut.

      But as liberal as I am on economic issues I would accept a good deal. This isn't a good deal.

      •  Uh - wow. Surprising, BBB. (0+ / 0-)

        What the fuck is a '"christian nation" type'? You don't seem like the sort who need sot borrow a copy of the constitution.

      •  Death of the liberal class-- Chris Hedges (10+ / 0-)

        Sadly, seems like he was correct...  

        Liberals have assured us that after the election they will build a movement to hold the president accountable—although how or when or what this movement will look like they cannot say. They didn’t hold him accountable during his first term. They won’t during his second. They have played their appointed roles in the bankrupt political theater that passes for electoral politics. They have wrung their hands, sung like a Greek chorus about the evils of the perfidious opponent, assured us that there is no other viable option, and now they will exit the stage. They will carp and whine in the wings until they are trotted out again to assume their role in the next political propaganda campaign of disempowerment and fear. They will, in the meantime, become the butt of ridicule and derision by the very politicians they supported.

        The ineffectiveness of the liberal class, as I saw in the former Yugoslavia and as was true in Weimar Germany, perpetuates a dangerous political paralysis. The longer the paralysis continues, the longer systems of power are unable to address the suffering and grievances of the masses, the more the formal mechanisms of power are reviled. The liberal establishment’s inability to defy corporate power, to stand up for its supposed liberal beliefs, means its inevitable disappearance, along with the disappearance of traditional liberal values. This, as history has amply pointed out, is the road to despotism. And we are further down that road than many care to admit.

        Any mass movement that arises—and I believe one is coming—will be fueled, like the Occupy movement, by radicals who have as deep a revulsion for Democrats as they do for Republicans. The radicals who triumph, however, may not be progressive. Populist movements, from labor unions to an independent press to socialist third parties, have been destroyed in the United States. A protofascist movement that coalesces around a mystical nationalism, that fuses the symbols of the country with those of Christianity, that denigrates reason and elevates mass emotions will have broad appeal. It will offer to followers a leap from the deep pit of despair and frustration to the heights of utopia. It will speak in the language of violence and demonize the vulnerable, from undocumented workers to homosexuals to people of color to liberals to the poor. And this force, financed by the most retrograde elements of corporate capitalism, could usher in a species of corporate fascism in a period of economic or environmental instability.

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        by divineorder on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 01:43:43 PM PST

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        •  I have come to really listen (5+ / 0-)

          to what Chris Hedges says.  I never knew of him until I noticed Jesse of Jesse's American Cafe promoting his speeches and writings.  I find him terrifying in some ways----but utterly truthful and without guile.  His is a valuable voice and far too many people don't know about him.  Thanks for posting these words of his.  I fear he's right about the potential future of our country.  Thom Hartmann himself said just before Christmas that the present situation of what passes for our "government" with its disregard for the will of the people, its belief in austerity, its manipulation of the voters, its fealty to the corporatists and their corporations at the expense of the people will not last.  He said that change is coming---and I think Hedges here gives us a glimpse of what it "could" look like.  Party politics is going to bring about its own demise as it currently exists and that demise is deserved given the caliber of our current "politicians".  

          "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

          by 3goldens on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 02:08:45 PM PST

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        •  There's a cheery thought (3+ / 0-)
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          divineorder, weneedahero, TracieLynn

          For New Years Eve.

          "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

          by sidnora on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 02:16:30 PM PST

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