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  •  Is the full text of the bill they voted on (1+ / 0-)
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    available online now?

    I don't give a squat about 250k vs 400k, really.  To me, that line was always negotiable, as long as we actually got something worthwhile in return for bumping it up.  It's everything else that was changing that I'm curious about now.

    •  I haven't seen it online but folks are (0+ / 0-)

      referencing it. Boy, you were up late! ;)

      I see that number as pretty variable, particularly since from what I've heard (and this is through the muzzy filter of a memory which ought to be carefully double-checked), that was in concession for military budget cuts... which would be ACES as far as I'm concerned.

      UI was protected, no chained CPI that I'm aware of, Medicare and Social Security off the table, some problem with a small hike in certain kinds of earned income credits (not being the person who does our taxes, I don't understand this part). Some people sound angry about the sequester though I'm not following why, per se. The rest sounds quite reasonable to me. I'd have loved to see the tax drop from 400K to 250K, but I hear that it was our lovely Senators from California and New York (my two home states) who argued that 250K didn't represent an upper class there. Something like that. I disagree, but whatever, that's not a hill I'm going to die on because 400K is also looking nice IF it will pass the House; it's still an improvement, IMHO.

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      by mahakali overdrive on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 11:46:16 AM PST

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      •  The revenue that was not raised (2+ / 0-)
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        by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire on incomes between 250K and 450K is a revenue loss of hundreds of billions of dollars.  That will now have to be made up somehow.  How do you think they will come up with those dollars?

        Somebody will take cuts to make up that difference.   The probability that the cuts will come from someone who is already struggling or on a shoestring is very high.  All of this because they did not want people who already make more money than the vast majority of people in the entire world to pay a bit more in taxes.  That tax increase would almost surely not hurt the very high income people who would have had to pay it.  But now someone else has to take a hit.

        If this is what you think is "quite good", I think that is a really strange idea of "quite good".  But as long as it doesn't affect you directly, I guess it's all cool.

        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 01:02:32 PM PST

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        •  The other thing that is not "quite good" (2+ / 0-)
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          is the fact that the Dem leadership just set us up for another horrific hostage taking because they gave away their biggest bargaining card and got no assurances on the debt ceiling.  They also kicked the can down the road on the sequestration cuts.  So there's another f'ing "cliff" in two months.

          Along with all of that, Dem leadership is still talking about cutting Social Security. Though it has nothing to do with the deficit, it is still on the table and even Harry Reid is now talking about entitlement reform in a matter of months.  He's the same guy who everybody here was relying on to hold the line on cutting Social Security because he had said no cuts to SS, period.  Durbin had already said "not now" that SS would be cut but it would take some time to work it out and now Harry Reid is saying the same thing.  

          There's plenty more about the whole deal that makes it a terrible sell out, from the perspective of the 99%. But a bourgeois perspective always looks for twisted ways to support the powers that be, regardless of whether or not it is in their own best interest.    So there's that.

          "Justice is a commodity"

          by joanneleon on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 01:09:09 PM PST

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        •  I am lower income, which you know, and (0+ / 0-)

          I wasn't talking to you.

          Your statements toward me here are frankly bizarre considering my personal financial situation. Oh! But haven't we HAD that conversation before?

          Now go talk to someone who enjoys conversation with you, something which I personally find to bizarre to even enjoy in a sort of Lewis Carroll sense of "up is down."

          In short: if you fucking stab at my finances further, I'm going to get royally pissed off about it, do you understand me? That's a sensitive issue for me. So don't come in here with a "it won't impact you" line of horse shit. Thanks.

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          by mahakali overdrive on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 01:44:09 PM PST

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          •  I have no idea (3+ / 0-)
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            what your personal finances are. I know very little about you.  And if we are going to talk about bizarre, what is bizarre is your response to my completely policy oriented comment where you turn this into a personal thing and chock full of insults, most of which I have no idea what you are even talking about, it's so off the rails.  

            "Fucking stab at your finances"?  That's bizarre.  What makes it even more bizarre is that you were saying something very similar to that about unemployment to other people just yesterday, if I remember correctly from reading a large comment thread in a diary I was participating in.  What hypocrisy.

            I'm going to get royally pissed off about it, do you understand me?
            You go ahead and get royally pissed off if you like.  Whatever floats your boat.  But you can keep your threats to yourself.  I don't respond well to threats.   Most people around here don't.  I think it would be a good idea if you drop that kind of behavior.  

            We're talking policy.  When there are comments about policy, I am free to respond to them, and if you look at my comment stream, you will find that you are only one of many different people whom I have responded to and not one of them, even if we were disagreeing strongly, flew into this kind of gobbledy-goop transitioning into a freak out with threats type of response.  

            "Justice is a commodity"

            by joanneleon on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 03:17:46 PM PST

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