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  •  Fair points, although I dont think (2+ / 0-)
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    MichaelNY, askew

    the debt ceiling could have been resolved outside of a grand bargain, meaning chained CPI, Medicare cuts, etc. The flip side of that is Dems probably would have gotten more revenue in a longer term deal.

    Overall, I'm happy with the deal. I expected some give on the 250k threshold as well, and am glad it wasnt higher than 450k. UI and extending some of the stimulus tax credits is good as well.  

    I'm not thrilled with the sequester being pushed back only two months.

    But I dont really see why that's bad news for Obama. The GOP dislikes the sequester as much as the Dems do, so I dont think it really gives GOP that much leverage. Plus on the revenue side, Obama gets his gains locked in permanently. I really worried about a 30-60-90 day deal on tax rates.  

    The debt ceiling fight does worry me though.  

    •  Their debt ceiling leverage is only as good (2+ / 0-)
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      James Allen, MichaelNY

      As their willingness to lay out what they want to cut. I easily see a situation developing where Obama uses the inauguration and State of the Union to accuse the Republicans of favoring the gutting of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid over the economy and credit rating of the United States. Democrats can win that debate in the court of public opinion far easier than getting tax increases out of the House of Representatives.

      "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

      by conspiracy on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 11:12:54 AM PST

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      •  The debt ceiling thing worries me a lot (1+ / 0-)
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        MichaelNY

        But it's worth pointing out that for all the sound and fury last time around, in the end, no entitlements were actually cut with the conclusion of the debt ceiling debate. And it's not clear to me why they're in any way in a stronger position two months from now - with a smaller majority in the House, a smaller minority in the Senate, having just lost the presidential race, and with the economy stronger - than they were in the summer of 2011.

        •  Agreed (3+ / 0-)
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          tk421, jncca, MichaelNY

          You know we really do need a DKE policy sub-site setting up. Even the people I disagree with here are approachable and open to sensible conversation without motivations being questioned and name calling. At least most of the time. I hope somebody who has more time than me can approach David about it.

          "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

          by conspiracy on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 11:58:20 AM PST

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        •  The other big advantage we have this time (2+ / 0-)
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          jncca, MichaelNY

          is Republicans will be screaming about the Pentagon sequester at the same time.

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