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  •  I addressed that in another comment. (10+ / 0-)

    You're right.
    Also, prison reinforces the "gang" identity, and it also increases violent hard-core racism.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 09:06:12 AM PST

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    •  Conflating societal conditions and proximate cause (0+ / 0-)

      with individual agency and the threat a particular individual agent presents to the community will only lead to maximal outcomes for the violent organized criminal.

      The whole decade needs an asterisk.

      by James Kresnik on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 09:51:30 AM PST

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    •  Prison does this, or people like (0+ / 0-)

      Luis Felipe?

      •  They're talking about binary thinking upthread. (4+ / 0-)

        It is both. The prison machine, the "maw" that chews up human beings and spits out near-animals was around before Luis Felipe. Once he's in the system, he learns to live in it, like any human being would. He contributes to it.

        We're on the cusp of a massive "Les Miserables" trend, fad, whatever.
        It's a mild European version of what we're talking about.

        Absolving him of responsibilty for his actions would be wrong, but continuing the criminal justice system we have now is wrong too. We have means and motivation to change. He has little. Once he does have the means and motivation to change, he could change, with help. He may never get out of prison, but he may be able to help others avoid his fate.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 12:23:36 PM PST

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        •  I think you and the diarist are falsely (0+ / 0-)

          conflating a mass of people caught in untenable circumstances, with the character of a man who is an architect and exploiter of the same system and those marginalized by it.

          Felipe is not even a product of this society.

          The story of those who by racial and class marginalization are, relegated to the dregs of opportunity, does not benefit by being conflated with this individual.

          •  He's the top of the food chain in a predatory (1+ / 0-)
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            system. The fact that he rose to the top due to his own cunning and cold-bloodedness doesn't make him different, not human.
            Don't get me wrong. I don't feel "sorry" for this guy. I might be convinced that his treatment in prison amounts to torture, in which case I would want it stopped.
            Because I don't want the state torturing people on my behalf.

            Even he is human, and the world he lives in is one possible human society in which power and cruelty reign over respect of the other, not to mention human kindness.

            We cannot keep propagating animalistic, social darwinistic experiments with our poor and expect civilization not to be swept away.

            The fact that he was born in Cuba doesn't change the dynamics of poverty and race.

            I don't feel sorry for this guy or guys like him. However, I do feel sorry for the mother's little boy he was at one time who could have grown up to be a doctor.

            You can't make this stuff up.

            by David54 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 03:17:43 PM PST

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            •  Each conversation has it's place (0+ / 0-)

              so I've heard.

            •  I should write a diary on the fate (2+ / 0-)
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              of the Marielitos - scorned by Republican white Cubans in Miami and elsewhere, kept in barbed wire encampments, pushed directly into surviving in the drug world ....
              our policy of embracing those who fled "communism" under Fidel created a whole nother barrel of worms

              ...and don't let me forget the Mara Salvatrucha (MS 13) who strike fear into the hearts of Latin Kings ...byproducts of the US backed Salvadoran Civil War.


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              by Denise Oliver Velez on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 03:27:38 PM PST

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