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  •  What's In A Man? (0+ / 0-)

    On the subject of black crime in general and gangs in particular, I never read an article without one question dwelling in my brain.  And, unfortunately, the liberal community is unable or unwilling to answer that question.

    That question is this:  To what degree is that lifestyle or philosophy an inherent part of the individual gang member?  Do these people join gangs in order to "belong," as the liberals claim, or is this anti-social behavior simply in their genes?

    I truly wonder about this:  Say that a guy with gang connections has a job, and the "brothers" ask -- or order -- him to participate in an action or "rumble."  Will he show his loyalty to his boss or the "brothers?"  And if he chooses the "brothers," what reason does society have to make his life behind bars a Sunday walk in the park?

    One thing that happens way too often is the focus being on the perpetrator of the crime and not the victims.  Liberals are VERY quick to take up the cause of felons who they feel are being abused in prison.  But are these same liberals as equally concerned about the victims of the crime receiving justice?  If they are, then what are they doing about it?  If not, then why in heaven's name not?

    Conservatives have a saying:  "You do the crime, you do the time."  I'm sorry, but I believe that the Conservatives have this one right.

    •  When something bad happens no amount of (4+ / 0-)

      justice or punishment will make it right again. The best we can do is to try to make these things not happen in the future.

      I've known people who have done things as bad or worse than Newtown in war. At that time they are very bad people. Later they become older and become different people. Their past is still there, it still really happened, but there is nothing that can be done about what has already happened. We can only affect our present and our future.

      I'm not saying we have to forgive and open the jails, but we don't need to punish harshly for something that happened long ago.

      How big is your personal carbon footprint?

      by ban nock on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 09:56:42 AM PST

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    •  When it comes to petty crime (2+ / 0-)
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      I tend to tell my kids (meaning all the young people I work with) You do the crime ...

      It doesn't work, but it is an easy way for me to begin drawing lines in the sand in terms of "acceptable" behavior. A cop out on my part, in other words, but when you're working with kids of which a large subset laugh at jail time and compare different facilities, sometimes, you grasp at any straw.

      In general, however, I've seen with my own eyes that the root causes of crime )any crime, but particularly major crime) are so profound and deeply embedded in the society that, for us to trivialize it with "you do the crime... " is for us to relinquish our responsibility. And we are responsible---all of us.

    •  Please point me to even one comment (6+ / 0-)

      anywhere in this diary that advocates the release of Luis Felipe.

      Also, by specifying "black crime" as what raises your question about whether this "anti-social behavior" is "simply in their genes" - you realize you're saying that you think there's a very real possibility that black people are genetically predisposed to committing crimes.  That's really HR-worthy, I think, but as far as I understand the rules of this site, since I am responding to you, I can't drop a donut.

      But, it's bullshit.  First of all, you missed one of the main points of the diary, which is that joining a gang is not anti-social - it's the exact opposite of anti-social.  The gang functions as a family.  It's the most stable family most of these members have got.  Yes, that's a tragic and sad commentary on their situations, but there you are.

      And that brings us to a human trait that is nearly universal:  People side with their families.  Nobody, criminal or non-criminal, sides with their boss over their family - to position this in terms of your boss or your family just frankly strikes me as bizarre.  A boss is never as important as family.  Period.  (The degree to which a boss might seemingly be more important than family actually ties to family at its root - the breadwinner who has children to support, for instance.)  Of course, my family (which includes my best friends, who are actually more family than some blood relatives) doesn't happen to be a gang - they're all law-abiding, stable folks.  Wonderful for me.  I was lucky in the circumstances of my birth and childhood, and I know it.

    •  Conservatives have this one right (9+ / 0-)

      maybe because they, like you just did, focus on "black crime in general and gangs in particular."

      this anti-social behavior simply in their genes
      Would you ask the same of those who plundered, raped and enslaved others in time past? Which would mean, wouldn't it, that it is also in the genes of the descendants of the original perpetrators. Or of those whose actions resulted in the genocide of the First People of the Americas.
      No, you are talking specifically of black crime of today. Is it in their genes?
      We know for sure that it is not in the genes of the white men who have murdered dozens of people at a time in our recent history. It is not in their genes to terrorize and kill because they are mentally ill.
      Is it in the genes of minority youths to join gangs and commit murder?
      Someone above my pay grade will have to answer that one.
      Seems you have already decided.

      Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

      by JoanMar on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 11:00:20 AM PST

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