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  •  I've said it before (7+ / 0-)

    I've said it before, I'll say it again -- Obama doesn't have a freaking clue how to negotiate.  At all.  Every time he tries he makes himself out to look like a complete amateur.

    And what's worse, negotiations aren't the right thing here.  You don't negotiate with hostage taking economic terrorists.

    He should have planted his feet in the sand and let us go over the cliff, and forced the Republicans to take it on the chin.  Then in a week or two once the GOP's base gets their lowered pay checks due to the tax cuts expiring, and the GOP starts feeling the heat, then he demands -- not asks, demands -- things he wants.

    Oh well.  There's always 2016, right?

    •  Oh he certainly does have a clue (9+ / 0-)

      He's getting just what he wants. It's the people who voted for him without getting him to commit to not doing this sort of thing who are the bad negotiators.

      “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.” – Abraham Lincoln

      by Sagebrush Bob on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 08:24:57 PM PST

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      •  Wait...what? (17+ / 0-)

        Your first sentence is fine.

        He's getting just what he wants.
        But this one? Oh no...
        It's the people who voted for him without getting him to commit to not doing this sort of thing who are the bad negotiators.
        The man stood there and said it--I heard him. Other people here heard him. You know, quoted him and stuff...
        The $250K campaign pledge was a clear, simple promise.  
           Obama said he supports extending Bush-era tax cuts for everyone making under $200,000, or $250,000 for couples. He had agreed in 2010 to a two-year extension of the lower rates for all taxpayers.

            But that extension ends on Dec. 31, and Obama has said he would let the top two tax rates go back up 3 to 4 percentage points to 39.6 percent and 36 percent—and raise rates on capital gains and dividends for the wealthy.

        What was I supposed to do, not vote? Vote for Mittens? Write a sternly-worded letter? Get Mr. Obama's signature in blood?

        Don't blame this shit on me or you or anyone else. You put the blame where it goes--on the crooks.
         

        It is time to #Occupy Media.

        by lunachickie on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 09:57:10 PM PST

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        •  Obviously, the (D) and (R) are equally owned by (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Hillbilly Dem, lunachickie

          Wall Street.

          "We are a Plutocracy, we ought to face it. We need, desperately, to find new ways to hear independent voices & points of view" Ramsey Clark, U.S. Attorney General.

          by Mr SeeMore on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 10:53:43 PM PST

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        •  schumer and others (0+ / 0-)

          pushed early for $1.0 million limit....it was repeatedly thrown back at the dems this past week and it's why Boner went with Plan B.

          dems all need to be on the same page. O wants $250k but senate won't pass it, what good would that do?

          all these public statements come back to bite them all.

          if O had run on a pledge of a $450k limit would he have lost?

          mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

          by wewantthetruth on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 05:12:43 AM PST

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        •  You'd have had to use your own blood for the pen. (0+ / 0-)
          Get Mr. Obama's signature in blood?
          Any blood BHO may once have had was safely drained and redeployed when he was borged into Goldman Sachs in 1996. lunachickie, I almost always agree with you, admire you and rec you but whenever (in the past few years here) I see a progressive with access to the internet make this sort of statement
          Don't blame this shit on me or you or anyone else. You put the blame where it goes --on the crooks.
          I am irresistably reminded of Al Wilson's song
          "The Snake" (1968) by Al Wilson tells of a tender-hearted woman who finds a dying, half-frozen snake on the side of the road. Taking the snake home, she revives it and hugs it. The snake later bites her, then says to her as she lies dying in disbelief, "Silly woman, you knew I was a snake before you brought me in!"
          which is based on an old fable by Aesop. It is always our fault when we hire an employee (public or private) who doesn't support our stated agenda because we failed to check their past [biggest contrib in first run for state office, Goldman Sachs] or failed to believe their stated campaign promises [I will reform entitlements].

          Enough fossil fuel remains on Earth to warm it 6 degrees C by 2100 AD if it is all used. A +6 C planet will only sustain half a billion humans. Human population will rise to 9 billion by 2050. Any questions?

          by davidincleveland on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 07:38:19 AM PST

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        •  There were plenty of clues (0+ / 0-)

          http://www.dailykos.com/...

          Also, I guess you missed that Des Moines Register "off the record" interview of his (he transcript of which seems to have rather conveniently been removed from the web)?

          “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.” – Abraham Lincoln

          by Sagebrush Bob on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 04:25:21 PM PST

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