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  •  They're vocal, yes. (3+ / 0-)

    I'm in more of a wait-and-see approach, but the Overton window has shifted in key areas here, most notably on how Republicans were forced to debate over how much taxes should go up on for the rich, and at what the starting income level would be.  That represents a decades-long reversal of what had been happening.  And my Green Party friend, who I can assure is to the left of EVERYONE here on this site, even Bernie Sanders (over gun control), was OK with it.

    •  Yes, I agree, we negotiated from a significantly (3+ / 0-)
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      stronger position and I was convinced during the Democratic National Convention that the decades long pendulum swing of politics had started its swing back towards the left and I think this is more evidence of it. The angst I feel is not that we lost but that we didn't win as much as we should have and that we may well lose more in the next battle... but overall the R's on losing right now and the D's are winning... and I think with some understanding that the context of american politics is always in the middle somewhere... the right is losing and the left is winning.

      "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

      by Andrew C White on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 10:32:43 PM PST

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      •  Yep. (3+ / 0-)

        I think a lot of the angst is that the pendulum hasn't swung to the left even more than it has, but I think we need to see the bigger picture of how far it had swung to the right thanks to a confluence of factors, and I cannot emphasize just how damaging and destructive the emergence of Fox News has been in shoving formerly fringe right-wing ideas into the mainstream and speeding the pendulum being swung to the hard right over the last decade.

        But like I grimly told my Green Party friend, who agreed with this, we get the government we deserve, because we vote for them.  When over 30% of UNION members vote for anti-union Republican governors and state legislatures, something's gone horribly, horribly wrong.

        And while there's much to be said for gerrymandering and the will of the people, let's keep in mind well over 58 MILLION Americans voted for the Republican in House races this year.  Those 58 million Americans are the reason we're as fucked as we are.  Forget what we can do on our side in terms of getting new voters from whatever groups, but as for those people, either we change their minds, or wait for them to die off.

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