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  •  Apparently this is a serious diary and not snark? (1+ / 0-)
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    LordMike

    I truly can't fucking believe anyone on this site could think this is positive. Really.  

    Power to the Peaceful!

    by misterwade on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 11:52:10 PM PST

    •  People on unemployment living paycheck to paycheck (12+ / 0-)

      Would disagree with that assessment.  

      89 Senators including many with unquestionable progressive credentials voted in favor of this compromise.  

      •  doesn't mean it isn't a very shitty compromise (2+ / 0-)
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        LordMike, pino

        For all the leverage the prez had, he getting just the UI extension equals going belly up.  He sucks. The dems suck.  They fucked us.  

        Power to the Peaceful!

        by misterwade on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 12:02:36 AM PST

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        •  I think that when the details come out (9+ / 0-)

          There isn't going to be as much angst here as their currently is about this deal.  Two things in particular are being overlooked IMO:

          1.  Many of the 2009 Stimulus tax credits that benefit poor and middle income families (which is why Republicans hated them) were extended for 5 years and/or made permanent

          2.  Deductions that solely benefitted the super rich were eliminated.  On paper the 400K threshold seems like a win for the Rich, but eliminating those deductions will result in the Mitt Romney's of the world having to pay more taxes than they would have had the 250k been adhered to without the change in deductions.  Those who are merely wealthy (400k-1 million) catch a break, but the 1% of the 1% get hit harder.

          •  hope you are right about this (6+ / 0-)

            I'm calmer now. But another hostage situation in 2 months is infuriating. And without expiring tax rates, it's hard to see how we come out of that without soiling ourselves.

            I commend the patience you've demonstrated responding to my angry outbursts.  

            Power to the Peaceful!

            by misterwade on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 12:52:16 AM PST

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            •  No Problem (4+ / 0-)
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              GrumpyOldGeek, DeadHead, koNko, radarlady

              One clear loser tonight, in my opinion,  is the Tea Party for two reasons.

              1.  Our system of government worked.  Through negotiation , an unbelievably contentious issue was resolved by a huge margin.  The Tea Party hates it when government functions since to them all government is bad government.

              2.  The 2010 Freshmen Tea Party Class was strongly rebuked by their colleagues.  Three of the 8 Nays were Lee, Rubio, and Paul and their dogmatic approach to government did not fly even amongst republicans who otherwise hate taxes and aren't normally amenable to compromise themselves.  

            •  I think you have a point. (3+ / 0-)
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              SilverWillow, GwenM, radarlady

              Not the best possible outcome by any means. "However ...."

              1. There would have been immediate harm to poor, lower middle class and unemployed that live check to check.

              2. Dems are still in possession of the high ground particularly since Republicans forced the short-term delay, meaning they are still holding the economy hostage.

              So how Dems deal with point 2 is critical. Now is the time for a full court press and some bloody party unity and teamwork.

              Will they use it? Remains to be seen.

              Dems need to study Chinese negotiation technique and look at this as the beginning of the process where there is much to be gained from a situation where Republicans are actually in the weaker position in many respects, particularly in the House (clue: they own the mess).

              What about my Daughter's future?

              by koNko on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 02:30:16 AM PST

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            •  looking forward to reading about the deal (1+ / 0-)
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              radarlady

              About that $400k to $1 mil: If you live in NYC or another expensive area, have two incomes, two kids in college, supporting a parent, saving for retirement, suddenly $500k isn't so wealthy after all. You'd be sighing with relief that you could fully fund your retirements while supporting your mum. (but that's not me, just wish it was)

              Curious to see what the House will do with this compromise.

              I was really hoping against hope a bigger effin' deal could get hammered out earlier this month. Or last month.

              Happy new year to us all.

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