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  •  Here's my question. (1+ / 0-)
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    qofdisks

    Would YOU have been happy to get the progressive package that so many here were advocating for?  Or would you have complained that it was "too much" if by some miracle it had gotten passed?
    I suspect that you'd have been thrilled, like so many others here, if a more progressive package had passed.
    So here's my second question: why spend your energy justifying a shit sandwich?  Why waste your energy sneering ot those of us who tried hard to get something better?  Wouldn't your energy have been better spent actually helping and supporting a more progressive package, and directing your energy toward figuring out what we can do better next time.  Because what you're saying here boils down to "Sit down and shut up!  This is the best you'll ever get, and more than you deserve!"

    •  He's not saying sit down and shut up (1+ / 0-)
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      He's just saying that it's a compromise he can live with and people should consider that opinion. No need to put words in people's mouth. It's like me saying you want him to shut up and sit down if he doesn't agree with you. I hope that's not the case.

      He also asked a question that hasn't been answered yet. What bill would progressives be happy with that could pass the Senate and GOP controlled House? Even after the fiscal cliff there's no guarentee of a significantly better deal. I'd bet extended unemployment would die because it hurts the economy in the short term, thus hurting the Dems and Obama.

      Mark Levin (crazy right wing radio host) last night was blasting McConnell and Boehner as weak, disgusting sellouts. Progressives saying the same about the President. If everybody is pissed then maybe it's a good deal.

      •  Exactly! (1+ / 0-)
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        kefauver

        "If you're going to go down with the ship, make it a submarine." - Wayne Shorter

        by Oliver Tiger on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 10:29:36 AM PST

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      •  Many People Here Believe Waiting 4 New Congress (0+ / 0-)

        And going over the cliff was the answer.

        Problem with that is millions lose employment insurance, we still have a GOP-controlled House that will not negotiate in good faith, and we risk another recession.

        People are dreaming if they think gaining a dozen more Democrats in the House will allow all of our progressive dreams to come true.

        This site becomes a fantasy land by the day.

        Have you written your Chained CPI/Social Security Betrayal/Obama is a Caver diary today? 100's already have. What are you waiting for?!

        by kefauver on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 10:44:21 AM PST

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        •  And who says we GET that "new Congress" in '14? (1+ / 0-)
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          We thought we were going to get a new Congress last November, but gerrymandering blew out that possibility, even though Dems got 1 million more votes than GOPhers! Do we all just hold our collective breath until '14? Not a brilliant strategy, to my mind...

          "If you're going to go down with the ship, make it a submarine." - Wayne Shorter

          by Oliver Tiger on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 10:53:16 AM PST

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