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  •  So you voted for Romney then? (3+ / 0-)
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    Great work. He would have been much more progressive.

    Maybe if President Obama had a better House (and Senate), and maybe if we came out in force in 2010 stopping the Republican redistricting, we wouldn't be in this spot.

    When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

    by PhillyJeff on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 09:14:02 AM PST

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    •  I was talking about Obama, not Romney (2+ / 0-)
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      Senor Frog, shaharazade

      Nice try at changing the subject.

      "It depends what the meaning of 'is', is"
      Platform of the Neo-Democratic Party
      Speaking out of one side of their mouth for the little guy, their nominal constituency, and the other for the plutocracy, their real constituency.

      by Sanctimonious on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 09:46:21 AM PST

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      •  Nice job avoiding HIS points (0+ / 0-)

        Where were you in 2010?

        "If you're going to go down with the ship, make it a submarine." - Wayne Shorter

        by Oliver Tiger on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 10:59:28 AM PST

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        •  Here ya go (2+ / 0-)
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          Senor Frog, bdop4

          It was OBAMA, not the Republicans,  who created the Catfood Commission and appointed its 2 co-chairs, Blue Dog Erkine Bowles and 'Social Security is a cow with a thousand tits' Alan Simpson, both on record as wanting to dismantle and/or privatize Social Security

          It was OBAMA who kept resurrecting the far right recommendations of Simpson/Bowles even after the committee disbanded in failure

          After the Catfood Commission failed, it was OBAMA who attempted to resurrect it with the "Grand Bargain" and introduced the notions of extending the Medicare age to 67 and chained CPI to Social Security

          It was OBAMA who said before he was elected in 2008 that he wanted to "reform" Social Security and Medicare, which always means, in the parlance of the neo-Democrat and which has proven true in all his subsequent actions, that he wanted to make major cuts to both programs

          It was OBAMA who created the debt ceiling 'crisis' in the first place by not letting the Bush tax cuts expire - which they would have done all on their own if he had not intervened to prevent it - setting the wheels in motion for his various austerity commissions ala the Shock Doctrine. By making the Bush tax cuts permanent yesterday, he has set the stage for  'starving the beast' and putting in place big cuts in Medicare and SS for the 'debt ceiling' talks in 3 months time

          Ok, I've answered your question and I could easily go on and on (Obama makes it so easy!). Let's see what your defense of the POLICIES of Obama are without resorting to personal attacks (aka "where were you in 2010"), excuses, or rationalizations. Can't do it, can you?

          "It depends what the meaning of 'is', is"
          Platform of the Neo-Democratic Party
          Speaking out of one side of their mouth for the little guy, their nominal constituency, and the other for the plutocracy, their real constituency.

          by Sanctimonious on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 11:36:04 AM PST

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          •  Ok, You think Obama is horrible (0+ / 0-)

            Why did you vote for him then? Did you vote for him?

            And please, don't say "I'm not accepting the lesser of 2 evils."

            You had 3 choices in 2012 - Obama, Romney, and none of the above.

            If you voted "Romney" or "none of the above," that's fine, but you need to own up to the fact that "none of the above" had zero chance of being elected and your protest vote increased the likelihood of Romney being elected.

            If protest votes were likely to "wake up the country" and elect a congress full of Dennis Kucinich's and Bernie Sanders's I give you Bush II's first 4 years and Bush II's second 4 years.

            Were you comfortable with the hundreds of thousands of brown people and thousands of Americans who had to die and the bankrupting of our country to "wake up America" and give us this president who you apparently think is just as bad as Romney?

            How many more would you be willing to sacrifice in 2012/2016?

            When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

            by PhillyJeff on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 12:22:50 PM PST

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            •  Thanks for proving my point (0+ / 0-)

              "It depends what the meaning of 'is', is"
              Platform of the Neo-Democratic Party
              Speaking out of one side of their mouth for the little guy, their nominal constituency, and the other for the plutocracy, their real constituency.

              by Sanctimonious on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 02:45:50 PM PST

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            •  Thanks for proving my point (0+ / 0-)

              "It depends what the meaning of 'is', is"
              Platform of the Neo-Democratic Party
              Speaking out of one side of their mouth for the little guy, their nominal constituency, and the other for the plutocracy, their real constituency.

              by Sanctimonious on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 02:50:54 PM PST

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    •  I dare you (4+ / 0-)
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      to discuss this deal (or any other bill Obama has 'fought' for) on its own merits without making excuses for Obama or engaging in personal attacks. Go ahead - see if you can  do it without sounding like a Republican.

      "It depends what the meaning of 'is', is"
      Platform of the Neo-Democratic Party
      Speaking out of one side of their mouth for the little guy, their nominal constituency, and the other for the plutocracy, their real constituency.

      by Sanctimonious on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 10:23:51 AM PST

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    •  No need for a Repub to vote for Romney (3+ / 0-)

      Obama has been far more effective at achieving Republican objectives than Romney could have ever hoped for.

      "It depends what the meaning of 'is', is"
      Platform of the Neo-Democratic Party
      Speaking out of one side of their mouth for the little guy, their nominal constituency, and the other for the plutocracy, their real constituency.

      by Sanctimonious on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 10:26:41 AM PST

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